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    Rhys
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    So I’m struggling to get my head around this ‘られる’ form. In my Textfugu notes i have saved onto evernote, its something to do with passive form? I’ve come across it as I just began using Japanesepod101 and one of the questions I’m learning is:
    Can you eat Japanese food?
    日本食が食べられますか

    The difference between passive and non-passive seems very subtle. I see its another one of their endless amount of different politeness elements. Is it only used in past tense and question form?

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    Joel
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    The られる/~える form is called the potential form. Means “can do (verb)”.

    食べられる = can eat
    飲める = can drink
    飛べる = can fly
    et cetera.

    What makes it confusing is that for る-verbs, the passive form is exactly the same (for う-verbs it’s V-neg+れる – for example, 飲まれる). And what makes it even more confusing is that passive-voice – as you noticed – is a way of doing polite active-voice, because it’s indirect, and indirectness is polite in Japanese. And then there’s indirect passive, which is a whole extra can of worms that I still don’t quite understand myself.

    (Incidentally, for る-verbs in potential form, you can drop the ら in casual usage only – 食べれる.)

    In the end, it’s just context that lets you tell them apart. You should not, at TextFugu level, be encountering too much passive-as-polite sentences, so mostly you need to be able to tell the difference between potential and passive. It’s pretty much particles that are going to help you here:

    ボブさんは日本食が食べられます = Bob-san can eat Japanese food.
    日本食はボブさんに食べられます = Japanese food is eaten by Bob-san.

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    Rhys
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    That is daunting to say the least!

    I appreciate the reply.
    Thanks!

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