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Are any of you guys using this method? I’m a bit stuck on what I’m actually supposed to be doing (yes, even after reading the articles on it at ajatt.com), so I was wondering how you all do it.
Do you learn vocab while reviewing the sentences, or are you supposed to take the vocab and put it into a separate deck to study? I think he also says to not bother learning grammar cause you’ll “pick it up”, but surely that can’t be right…?
Danke.
I do lots of translating of sentences from Japanese subtitles files, though I’d definitely make sure to look up grammar if I don’t know it. And, for vocab, I’d just put it in a deck (and also make sure each individual kanji meaning is known in your brain). Lots of things to go over… but the idea is it’ll start slow and get way faster.
Kind of gives me an idea, though – I should put up sentences to translate/learn about in the forums, with explanations the next day, or something… kind of like a crossword puzzle, where you try to figure it out on one day, then the next day you get the answer + explanation… Won’t get you to 10,000 sentences anytime soon, but should be helpful, I imagine. Will probably just pull it from Japanese drama subs or something, not sure if I want to spend the time to come up with original content for something like this, plus it’s probably best if it wasn’t original anyways…
I built my sentence deck from the smart.fm Core 6000 example sentences. After doing reviews, I create cram sessions that focus on a given kanji. I study all the usages of the kanji, and sentences that are close enough to what I already know become part of active reviews.
Michael,
I’m kind of sort of doing it. I have a deck for sentences and two cards for each sentence. The first card tests the reading on all of the kanji included. The second card tests my comprehension of what is being said. (So the cards are Japanese and English, not just Japanese).
I also have another deck that just keeps growing and growing with various vocab words I pick up all over the place. All of the vocab from the sentences deck goes into this deck if I don’t already know the words. When I choose sentences to include in my sentence deck, I pick sentences that only have one or two new vocab words and grammar that I’ve already studied. The sentences help me practice things I’ve learned here and elsewhere but don’t have much practice with.
I pull my vocab and sentences from Jpod101, Maru’s blog (the cat who is famous from Youtube), DenshiJisho, and a few other random places. Some of it is native (blogs mostly) and other websites are for teaching Japanese (TextFugu and Jpod101).
Clear as mud? Sure. A good way of studying? No idea, but it’s working for me right now. :)
Not started yet since I’m doing RTK, but I plan to do this:
Get example sentences from Tae Kim’s Guide to Learning Japanese from each grammar topic, which helps with grammar, and take the vocab I don’t understand and learn… Also from ひぐらしのなく頃に、デスノート and very possibly Japanese songs.
Buuuut don’t take tips from me I haven’t even started.
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Armando.
off topic question @armando – how many kanji do you know from rtk currently? And how long have you studied it?
Hmm I believe Khatz has moved on from 10k sentences, saying he doesn’t like the method as much as he did before. Maybe ask Crumb about it?
@Sheepy: Who? What? Where?! When did he say that? haha I wonder what he suggests nowadays then…? I thought 10,000 Sentences was such a big part of the AJATT method as well, so I wonder why he doesn’t like it anymore.
I’m doing Core 6000 before I consider this whole sentences method again, but by that time I may have found something different to do.
I actually bought the sentence pack from AJATT, and then I did some example sentences from a grammar book.
But I’ve found many mistakes in the sentence pack afterwards, so that kind of pisses me off, and taking from a grammar book was deathly booring.
I haven’t added since then, but I’m reviewing my 1000 sentences though. I’m not sure what I think of the method. I find myself remembering what a sentence means, instead of understanding it and learning grammar, so I need to come up with a new idea or method…
….Wait what mistakes did you find in the sentence pack?
> I find myself remembering what a sentence means, instead of understanding it and learning grammar
You are reviewing the sentences too many times. Try being more aggressive.
Many is maybe a big word, but I’ve found some typos that I realized was wrong when I learned for example some kanji readings. I don’t remember them:/ …I hope I’m not wrong in thisXD but I remember one that was clearly wrong, and I found some other guy online who had found the same one when I googled it.
>Try being more aggressive.
What do you mean by aggressive? All help appreciated^^
> What do you mean by aggressive?
Be bold with your review intervals.
Feel good about a sentence? Don’t look at it again for a month or two.
Get most of a sentence, but make a minor mistake? Look at it again in a few weeks.
Struggle with a sentence? Maybe it is too different from sentences you already know. Put it off until later. Or maybe there is some kanji reading you aren’t familiar with, and you need to go find a bunch of words that use the same reading and write them down in order to make it more familiar. Or maybe you need to do some other kind of targeted study.
Whatever you do, don’t just keep repeating the sentence. Keep in mind that sentences overlap. Whatever is in one sentence will appear in other sentences, either in your deck or in stuff you will work with after you finish your deck. There is no need to study any one particular sentence to death. Keep moving.
That sounds good, that’s probably what I’ve been doing wrong. I’ll try it, thanks:D
In the course of looking into using sentence decks, I stumble across this thread I made more than two years ago on the same topic XD It’s the first result on Google for “AJATT sentence pack”, ahead of the AJATT site itself for some reason. Kinda wish I’d tried making sentence decks then – could have had a fair few by now. Still not finished Core 6k though ¬_¬ Definitely wish I’d been more active with that too XD
Thought I’d maybe bump this in case it was interesting for anyone else.
Wonder how Sheepy, Mark, Armando, jkl, and winterpromise31 are getting on these days.
Notice how the first person to reply is Koichi. I don’t think he was *massively* active at that point but it’s still more so than today. Think that was around the time his presence was starting to get less and less.
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