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    jkl
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    彼に集中するよう注意を促しといたよ。

    The translation I have says “I urged him to concentrate.”

    I am having trouble in two places.

    1. What is よう doing in there?

    2. What is 促しといた?

    #12223

    thisiskyle
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    よう is added after plain form verbs to mean in “in that sort of way”. As usual, that made no sense. Example time.

    聞こえるように言ってください。 (聞こえる=to be audible)
    Please say it in such a way that I can hear you.
    死ななかったようにしました。
    I did it in such a way that I didn’t die.

    The second question has three parts 促し と いた. (I think the last part should actually be いった)
    促し is like a prompt or a suggestion
    and といった means “said”

    I could be wrong but I hope that helps.

    #12231

    jkl
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    There is a recording of the sentence. I can’t believe smart.fm hasn’t shut down their media servers yet.

    http://assets3.smart.fm/assets/legacy/JLL/audio/Int/JS00907A.mp3

    It doesn’t sound like いった to my beginner’s ears.

    I also found another use of the i-form + といた construction.

    前もって予約しといた方がいいですよ。

    The translation says “You had better make a reservation in advance.” I don’t have a recording of that one. I found some information about the idiom “…方がいい”, but nothing about 予約しといた.

    Mecab says とい is from a verb called とく, and it says its form is “連用タ接続” but I can’t figure out what that means.

    #12232

    thisiskyle
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    Ah that makes sense then. といた is the plain past form of とく “to explain” and it probably one of those verbs that gets hooked on to others in the i-form like owaru.

    #12242

    jkl
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    I found another example of i-form + とく.

    券の手配しとくよ。 = “I’ll see about getting the tickets.”

    I guess that makes

    前もって予約しといた方がいいですよ

    something like “You had better see to getting reservations in advance,” or maybe “You had better make sure you get reservations in advance.”

    I also found another use of the idiom 注意を促す, and it looks like it means “call attention to” or “bring attention to.”

    警察たちはすりへの注意を促した。 = The policeman called our attention to the danger of pickpockets.

    Putting it all together, I think we have

    彼に集中するよう注意を促しといたよ

    is like “I saw to it to call his attention to acting in a concentrating sort of way.”

    #12266

    Elenkis
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    ~とく is the casual/abbreviated form of ~ておく, meaning “to do in advance”.

    See “Using the 「~ておく」 form as preparation for the future” here:

    http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/teform

    #12309

    jkl
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    So it is a contraction after all. The WWWJDIC gives the example below in its entry for とく, which it explains is a contraction.

    窓が閉まっているか確かめとけ = See that the window is closed

    Contractions are very difficult to deal with if you don’t already know about them. I looked around and found this list:

    http://www.sljfaq.org/afaq/colloquial-contractions.html

    One notable omission from the list is the contraction のだ -> んだ.

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