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    Bahanur
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    Hello Earthlings!

    This is Bahanur from Turkey, a 23-year-old homo sapiens who would like to learn Japanese as much as possible. I double majored in both journalism and international relations. Yet I realized that my real passion was linguistics. I have a huge interest in Japanese language, cinema and literature. Ergo, I will study Japanese at university next year. Before going to university, I want to learn basic Japanese at least. I learned some other languages in the past and know my learning style. However, it’s a bit complicated when it comes to learning Japanese. First of all, it is not one of those Romance/Latin languages I learned in the past. Turkish is quite similar to Japanese as they share the same Altaic roots. For that reason, I believe it’s not hard for me to master Japanese grammar. I just ponder over kanji learning and would like to hear how you manage to study kanji! :)

    Best wishes,
    Bahanur

    #45682

    Justin
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    Welcome, Bahanur!

    Wow, double major – good job! Guess you already know a thing or two about studying then, eh? :)

    My kanji study (although it may not be the best method, I’ll admit) involves a book called Remembering the Kanji (by James W Heisig, RTK for short), a preposterous number of pens, a notebook, graph paper, and Anki. I do have to ask before I continue, how far are you into the Textfugu course? Koichi does a pretty solid job explaining how to study. I have twisted and modified things to make my studying more effective for me, and I’m sure you’ll wind up doing the same.

    Of course, as I’m sure literally every learning resource will tell you, go ahead and learn AT LEAST hiragana (but ideally hiragana and katakana) first because, if nothing else, it gets you in the right mindset for learning a new writing system. It will also just be better for your learning in pretty well every other way imaginable. So yeah, those two first. Or, as I said, at least hiragana first. You will find katakana shapes in kanji though, so to me it seems right to learn those first.

    So, what I do is I aim to learn 20/day, but honestly I tend to mess up and right now my average in only about 10. I tried 50 once, and that was a horrendous error and I can not advise against that more emphatically. Seriously what a soul-crushing day that turned out to be. Anyways, I have a book in which I write kanji mnemonics (little ‘stories’ to remember the elements in each kanji) along with the meaning or ‘keyword’ as Heisig calls it. After 20 of those, I do my best to write the kanji out 3 or 4 times without looking in RTK. If I have to look it isn’t the end of the world. But being able to read the mnemonic and then write the kanji is far more effective, at least for me. After I’ve done that, I write it on a sort of “master list” that has corresponding numbers for fast lookup. Then I jam over to Anki, run through that with my review and my 20 new cards, write everything out at least 3 times, and then winge about how my hand hurts. That last step is critical.

    This, however, is just how I do it. There are many, many different ways to study, and none of them are wrong as long as it works for you. Just keep trying things until you come up with a method that works.

    I’m fairly sure other people will have other suggestions. People with slightly more um… street cred? than I.

    I haz a blog http://maninjapanchannel.wordpress.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLQzB-1u-dg
    #45685

    Joel
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    Welcome!

    Turkish is quite similar to Japanese as they share the same Altaic roots.

    Really? I always thought Japanese was fairly strange in that it didn’t appear to be related to any other languages. According to the wikipedia article linked from that page, the inclusion of Japanese in the Altaic group has always been a little bit controversial. Could be interesting to see how things go for you. =)

    #45687

    Justin
    Member

    In honour of this and (many, many) other requests for help with studying kanji, I’ve decided to make a video for this on my youtube channel.

    I’m actually open to and looking for suggestions anybody may wish me to include beyond that which I stated above. I think it would be nice to just have a single URL to answer this question with every time it comes up, y’know?

    This is the teaser I made for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLroBNSaMSc
    #shamelessplug

    I haz a blog http://maninjapanchannel.wordpress.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLQzB-1u-dg
    #45737

    Bahanur
    Member

    Welcome!

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Bahanur wrote:</div>
    Turkish is quite similar to Japanese as they share the same Altaic roots.

    Really? I always thought Japanese was fairly strange in that it didn’t appear to be related to any other languages. According to the wikipedia article linked from that page, the inclusion of Japanese in the Altaic group has always been a little bit controversial. Could be interesting to see how things go for you. =)

    Yes, it is very interesting right? There are some anthropological theories about the ALtaic languages but I am not expert on it. I am sure some sources would explain this similarity better than I can. I can say that Japanese language’s grammar system is the same with Turkish language. For that reason, I understand the grammar rules perfectly and don’t question it at all. Yet it was very difficult to learn Russian grammar for me since it was more different everything I had known before :)

    #45738

    Bahanur
    Member

    Welcome, Bahanur!

    Wow, double major – good job! Guess you already know a thing or two about studying then, eh? :)

    My kanji study (although it may not be the best method, I’ll admit) involves a book called Remembering the Kanji (by James W Heisig, RTK for short), a preposterous number of pens, a notebook, graph paper, and Anki. I do have to ask before I continue, how far are you into the Textfugu course? Koichi does a pretty solid job explaining how to study. I have twisted and modified things to make my studying more effective for me, and I’m sure you’ll wind up doing the same.

    Of course, as I’m sure literally every learning resource will tell you, go ahead and learn AT LEAST hiragana (but ideally hiragana and katakana) first because, if nothing else, it gets you in the right mindset for learning a new writing system. It will also just be better for your learning in pretty well every other way imaginable. So yeah, those two first. Or, as I said, at least hiragana first. You will find katakana shapes in kanji though, so to me it seems right to learn those first.

    So, what I do is I aim to learn 20/day, but honestly I tend to mess up and right now my average in only about 10. I tried 50 once, and that was a horrendous error and I can not advise against that more emphatically. Seriously what a soul-crushing day that turned out to be. Anyways, I have a book in which I write kanji mnemonics (little ‘stories’ to remember the elements in each kanji) along with the meaning or ‘keyword’ as Heisig calls it. After 20 of those, I do my best to write the kanji out 3 or 4 times without looking in RTK. If I have to look it isn’t the end of the world. But being able to read the mnemonic and then write the kanji is far more effective, at least for me. After I’ve done that, I write it on a sort of “master list” that has corresponding numbers for fast lookup. Then I jam over to Anki, run through that with my review and my 20 new cards, write everything out at least 3 times, and then winge about how my hand hurts. That last step is critical.

    This, however, is just how I do it. There are many, many different ways to study, and none of them are wrong as long as it works for you. Just keep trying things until you come up with a method that works.

    I’m fairly sure other people will have other suggestions. People with slightly more um… street cred? than I.

    Thank you so much Justin! A very useful answer! I really envy you because you seem to know what you are doing :) I also sent a message to Koichi and received this;

    Well, kanji is the thing people usually have trouble with. It also is the thing that slows most people down, yet they don’t want to do kanji even when this happens. So if there’s anything to focus on, I’d say kanji / vocabulary. That will get you the farthest ahead, and make things like grammar much easier (because you will be able to focus on learning the grammar instead of looking up words/kanji every other minute).

    Good luck and study hard, but don’t get burned out! :)

    #45778

    Justin
    Member

    Hey, glad you found it helpful!

    Koichi gives some solid advice (surprise, right? lol) and he’s totally right. The grammar isn’t really all that hard to learn, the most work is in vocab/kanji.

    I haz a blog http://maninjapanchannel.wordpress.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLQzB-1u-dg
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