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    AdvancedWind
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    I’m still on the early stages of my japanese study (part 8 on season 2), and while I believe I’m more less going well with grammar and the earlier kanji meanings, I’ve noticed that there’s always some random words (and certain kanji pronunciations) that I just can’t seem to memorize at all, no matter how much I try to force reviews, while others I just need to see once and never forget.

    A good example is the occupations anki deck (first one). It seems that no matter how many reviews I do, I can’t get せいじか,  うんてんしゅ or けいさつかん down. At the same time, I have no trouble with ちゅうがくせい ,  あかちゃん or かいしゃいん. I’ve reviewed these words the same number of times, I practice them the same way and I can pronounce all of those just fine, but I always stare like a crazy guy for seconds trying to remember what the first three means, and then get it wrong.

    Any ideas about how to deal with this situation and get troublesome vocab down? Should I even be so worried about this at this point? I kinda fear that if I start letting these things behind, I will have trouble later on.

    #35201

    kanjiman8
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    It’s common to encounter words that are harder to remember than others. Some stick with you the first moment you learn them, others take longer. Don’t worry too much. Making your own sentences using the vocab you’ve learnt helps a great deal too.

    What I do with words that are giving me trouble is, I initially review them in my TextFugu vocab deck. If there’s quite a few from the same deck I have a hard time remembering, I make a a temporary new Anki deck with that same deck that’s giving me trouble, and review them by constantly hitting the soon answer. This initially drills it into my short term memory. I then take longer breaks between studying them. So I might go 10 mins, then 20, then 30, then an hour, two hours, six hours, etc. I do this until I’ve learnt every word in that deck. I then take a days break and then look at that same deck under my TextFugu vocab. Usually I’m able to recall every word.  So basically what you’re doing is using the temporary Anki deck as a physical deck where you keep going over the same words. Then you switch back to the SRS method.

    #35208

    AdvancedWind
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    Thanks for the tip, I’m going to try that later with the occupations deck, and also try to not stress too much about this from now on.

    By the way, is there any easy way to “move” cards between decks?

     

     

    #35212

    jkl
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    Just do the best you can and keep moving. Those words are no more important than the thousands of other words you are going to need to learn.

    #35223

    kanjiman8
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    By the way, is there any easy way to “move” cards between decks?

    Haven’t really needed to do it myself, but I think the quickest way is to just add the cards to the new deck you want, and change the tags manually.

    #35226

    Astralfox
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    Mnemonic everything is my advise. And the more you do so, the easier it gets.

    As an example; for せいじか I imagined Seiji from Durarara as a politician. What! Seiji? (?=ka).

    I also had trouble with けいさつかん. Think I used a undefined muddle of ‘K’ (like OK) ‘sats’[sic] and ‘can’. So the police officer with a satsuma for a head is like “K, I can sit down”.

    The first thing that comes to mind is usually very effective… and then your stuck with it XD  Which is why buddha is a doctor specializing in the care of hos’ toes. Ho To Ke

    #35233

    Neil
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    @ Astralfox

    It’s funny you should say buddha as I’ve just that far in the kanji myself, for me it’s a statue of Bootsie Collins in the buddha pose with a stall next to it selling hot cakes (Ho To Ke) also in the shape of buddha.

    #35266

    Neil
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    I’m finding my self towing a bit at the moment with the nouny adverbs some are easy but other’s that have similar meanings are struggle e.g. the ones for sometime/always/generally/continously.

    If I knew how to say more sentences it would probably help, for example “continously” I had the idea of the following sentence but am not sure on how to go about translating it:-

    “that dog barks continously night and day”

    #35268

    Neil
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    Maybe something like?

    あの いぬ わ ずっと うるさい です

    • This reply was modified 12 years, 3 months ago by  Neil.
    #35270

    Aikibujin
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    Yeah I’m a mnemonics junky too.

    As an example; for せいじか I imagined Seiji from Durarara as a politician. What! Seiji? (?=ka).

    LOL, mine was similar to that.

    I imagine Seji like an old wise man (sage) being Sagey.

    As that’s how a politician should be like.

    But in reality they aren’t, so I throw in the last Ka like you did as a question:

    What!? A politician is Seiji? (?=ka).

    My mate had trouble remembering which word meant drink or read, so I came up with the following:

    Yomimasu = Read – Yo! Me must read!

    Nomimasu = Drink – No! Me must drink!

    In my brain I made it a bit absurd (thus easier to remember) by imagining the situation as a two headed Giant, where one head is responsible and the other is a slacker. ^_^

    Of course as with any good mnemonics I no longer need the mnemonic as it’s been ingrained in my brain, but the mnemonics help lock it in.

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