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    Grant Poston
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    Hello, my name is Grant and I want to ask for some advice about my potential study schedule.

    My goal: To finish every single available season, Get through a considerable chunk of Genki I (I’m thinking Chapter 8), and by the end of all this to hopefully be able to converse with a native in (Very :P) basic Japanese.

    As it stands now, I have a lot of free time right up until March 15th (Where I leave for military training, and come back in August). I want to take advantage of the time I have right now to really go gun ho with my Japanese Studies. Considering my free time, I thought it wouldn’t be a bad idea to do 3 a day study sessions. The duration of each session would be entirely based upon how long it takes me to accomplish each of the sessions’s objectives. I consider myself pretty disciplined and have done similar things in the past with my High School sport, Wrestling. I know I can stick with the schedule, but my biggest concern is that I will not give each part of the material/ or chapter as it were enough time to really imprint it into my brain, especially considering my overall goal.

    What are your thoughts on the matter? Am I not taking enough time with the content, and just rushing through without learning properly? BTW I’m writing this as quickly as I can, so I can get to Karate class on time. I will add/ edit this more thoroughly tonight. For a more detailed idea of what I was thinking of doing each day, look below:

    Example: (Subject to change, either swapping out or adding to, etc.)

    Wake up every day at 8:00/7:00 (Gradually getting up earlier and earlier) I’m sort of used to sleeping in, but I will definitely change that.

    **Morning Sessions will consist of a few things, Anki Review first, write Lang-8 journal entry (use vocab from studies), and of course some language shadowing. Morning session is really important I believe. During this time I will need to spend most of my time reviewing the content covered in the day prior/ as well past weeks. This is the time where the information is reinforced and remembered.

    **Mid Day Sessions will consist of a focus on Genki chapter progress. The idea for the Genki series is to finish a chapter per week. Subject to change, especially considering the amount of content covered per chapter. Of course this can also be a time where I can do more Textfugu chapters. Try to get to Barnes for this session. It provides an overall good study environment, plus you need to get out more.

    **Evening Sessions will consist of primarily a Textfugu focus. The goal here is to finish a chapter per session, but there will be times, depending on the length of the season/ how easy the current chapter is, that you will get 2 done in a day

    **Between Sessions will consist mainly of passive learning. While walking the dog, driving the car, relaxing, etcetera. Listening to music, pod casts, whatever it might be. This is where you’re going to have to find the audio and download it onto your ipod.

    #47388

    Grant Poston
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    I almost forgot! I just barely finished season 2 on Textfugu and Genki I, and I already learned Katakana a while back, but have forgotten a bit of it. Not sure how much that helps :)

    -Grant

    P.S. Oh and thanks for any and all help! I really appreciate the input!

    #47392

    Justin
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    This probably won’t be a helpful reply but I don’t know that anybody can tell you what will work. It is 100% dependent on you. I, for example, used to spend 3-6 hours per day (every single day) studying but it burned me out. I can only handle at most 2 hours a day (although I can go a bit longer if I’m just doing pure kanji) but maybe you can do sun up till sun down. I don’t know very much about you, other than you seem to be a busy person lol, so I don’t know what works.

    Unfortunately, based on my experience with it, the only real solution is to try stuff and make a pile of mistakes. You probably aren’t going to get it right from the start, and that’s okay too. Although I do recommend trying to get into conversation before you start developing bad habits on your own. I’ve got a speaking partner now and after all the time I’ve put in, I have zero confidence and I know basically nothing about holding an actual conversation. I know stuff, but I can’t use any of it because I pretty much haven’t ever done it. So I guess my only real advice is if you’re going to make time for anything, make time to get out there and talk to someone (even if that means just chatting on skype or something). It will help you more in the long run than worrying about what’s more important to study and for how long. Even if you sound like a class-A jackhat at first. Which you will lol.

    Maybe this will help more; if you’ve ever played any woodwind instruments, you know that everybody sounds like a duck at first. That’s going to be you. You’re going to be the guy with oboe going “quaaaaaeeeeeeeeekkk squeeeeeeeee bwwahhhhhhhhhh”. It doesn’t matter how well you read the music or how much time you spent fondling that oboe, until you actually practise, you’ll just be a duck. I know this, because I sound like a duck lol.

    I haz a blog http://maninjapanchannel.wordpress.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLQzB-1u-dg
    #47393

    Grant Poston
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    sorry for another longish post :P, but thank you very much for taking the time to respond =)

    I see, I guess I’ll tinker around with my schedule and see what works best for me without ‘burning myself out’. In regards to actually conversing with a native, when would you recommend doing this? I’ve been to the Fluent in 3 months website, and Benny (is that his name?) says one should start speaking immediately. I just don’t feel I know enough to really talk to someone I guess…

    Also, where would you recommend going to find a language partner online? I set up myself an account on Interpal, but it seems people are more interested in ‘flirting’ than learning. Although, I have had a couple people that seem interested in actually learning my language and vis versa.

    And one other thing :P, I typically consider myself a pretty sociable guy, but at the idea of trying to converse with a someone in a different language makes me kind of nervous. Any tips on this? It seems like everyone is leagues ahead of me in terms of how good their English is compared to my Japanese :<.

    Thanks again, and btw cool youtube channel!

    -Grant

    #47397

    Strangeluv
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    Doing Genki and Textfugu both seem kind of redundant to me. Textfugu is good to get you started if you have absolutely no idea how to begin and have trouble with motivation. It’s pretty much “hand-holdy”. For some people that’s great, for some that dont need this get slowed down by it. The later TF chapters are pretty shit. Get through a few chapters of Textfugu I guess to see how it’s like, then drop it and focus on Genki. It seems like you are the disciplined type, so I see no reason to spend more time with TF. Spend more time actually practicing the knowledge you gained.

    Find an Anki deck called optimized core 6k. It’s a premade deck with vocab + example sentence + audio. Some might say it’s better to make your own vocab deck while reading as much as possible to find words to add. I personally find that to be too much work, plus no native speaker audio in that case. Screw the Textfugu Anki deck. No example sentence, kana only iirc… just a waste of time compared to the 6k deck.
    I find vocab is the most important bottleneck in getting started with reading simple manga. The grammar is mostly simple conversational, and you can figure out the gist of it, even if it isn’t.

    For learning kanji, WaniKani is pretty great. You get a discount for being a TF member. It’s kinda slow at first but it will pick up soon enough.

    Ankie + WK will easily take up 1hr daily, I think. Any more time you got, read, listen, write, speak etc.

    #47401

    Justin
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    Don’t worry about longish posts – I think I get some kind of internet prize for doing the same thing, as you’re about to discover lol.

    “In regards to actually conversing with a native, when would you recommend doing this?”
    For me, I went on Kijiji (which I think is specific to Canada, so if you’re Stateside you’ll have craigslist I guess) and found a Japanese tutor. I pay $20 per session but she’s quite fluent in English so if she says something I don’t understand she is able to explain it. This of course is pretty dependent on where you live – I’m in the country’s capital so there’s a lot of diversity here, which makes it relatively easy to find a native speaker. Otherwise, check out japan-guide.com; you will have to weed through some folks but if you pop an ad up in the classifieds (it’s all free) that you’re looking for a speaking partner, you will find someone. You can start out written at first. Think about what you want to say, and fill in the blanks as you go. Get a lot of it wrong and then you will be corrected. That was my experience with it, anyway. From there you’ll also be able to find people who are willing to go on skype or google hangouts, and you just use what you know. You’re going to encounter things that you don’t know how to say, and you’ll have to learn how to say it. As to when you actually do this, it can be at any time in your language learning journey. It’s going to be uncomfortable as hell but when you start to do it more, your confidence will build and you’ll be more open to making mistakes and not knowing how to say stuff. Necessity is the mother of invention as they say, and in this case swap invention for language learning.

    You can also try, and this is scary but worth the risk, chatroulette or one of those other webcam things. The trick is to put that “Japanese” is one of your interests. It eliminates most of the penises you have to see and you’ll get thrown at people who are willing to chat. I’ve made a few friends doing that. There’s also mylanguageexchange.com and italki.com which both have some decent potential. You’re going to get a lot of people that are, as you have experienced, “more interested in flirting than learning” but if you keep at it you WILL get people that don’t suck.

    “And one other thing :P, I typically consider myself a pretty sociable guy, but at the idea of trying to converse with a someone in a different language makes me kind of nervous. Any tips on this?”
    I have a fairly mild social anxiety, so I can completely understand your apprehension here. I get nervous striking up ENGLISH conversations with strangers lol, let alone Japanese. As far as tips, this is a bit tricky. I try to live by this question: “will I regret this later?” – and I’ve never thought “yes” after talking to someone. (It’s also useful for weight loss! “Will I regret not eating this chocolate later?” NOPE. Just putting it out there haha). Sure you’ll feel like an idiot but afterward you feel good because you made yourself do something. It’s productive and it feels good emotionally to overcome the fear. So, you just kind of do it. Be aware that you might not feel good about it the first few times. You’ll feel like you just made a fool of yourself, and if you’re like me you think they’re judging you. But remember, most people will be happy that you’re making an effort to learn THEIR language. (Imagine it like someone is new to English and they come to you and, in broken English, ask for something; do you think “wow this guy’s an idiot for trying to speak a language he didn’t grow up with”? No, you do your best to understand and appreciate that they made the effort). If you’re more comfortable to start out just writing to someone, do that first. As I said before, I didn’t start using my knowledge until very recently and because of that I have zero confidence in it. Your being nervous comes from having no confidence in your language skills, so you need to build that confidence, which you will do by being uncomfortable a lot of the time at first. It’s actually good to have someone whose English is stronger than your Japanese, because like with my tutor, things can be explained to you. For some inspiration, check out the YouTube channel “Other Ways of Life” and look at his “Rejection Therapy” videos.

    Now – all of this said – you still want to learn vocabulary. Grammar is important too, for sure, but there’s more vocabulary than there is grammar. So, as Strangeluv said, grab that 6k deck. You still want to spend a bit of time on grammar, but you will pick up a lot of it over time through regular or semi-regular usage. You should also check out the Tofugu 500 sentences pack if you haven’t. There’s some pretty advanced/weird stuff in there but going through each of the sentences you pick up a lot. I’m cutting myself off now because I could actually write all day about this.

    How’s that for a lengthy reply? ;)

    And thanks for checking out my channel!!

    I haz a blog http://maninjapanchannel.wordpress.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLQzB-1u-dg
    #47405

    Grant Poston
    Member

    Just curious, but at what season does Textfugu start losing its ‘edge’ so to speak? I still consider myself a new beginner, so I can appreciate the hand holding from the get-go that Textfugu has provided me, but I do at time crave a faster pace at times. For this reason I go to my Genki book for a more heavily concentrated amount of ‘material’, but sometimes the way they present said material is not what I consider ideal, which has me at times a bit lost.

    I haven’t taken a look at the 6k core deck, but I have just started an account with WaniKani. From what I have seen so far, it looks pretty impressive. I wish I had started it much sooner. Now that I have stared part way through Textfugu, I already know a decent chunk of the beginning stuff. Too bad one can’t just skip a level or two ;).

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