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February 1, 2012 at 11:44 am #26187
Hi Guys,
I’m still very early on in my Japanese learning.. ( close to season 3 ) and as much as I love it, I constantly wonder if it’s possible for me to remember everything( in time of course).
I’m assuming most people feel like this, and if you did.. how did it change over time/ did you find yourself forgetting things as your learnt new stuff.
This may sound like a silly question but I’ve never found myself studying a subject with such a vast amount to remember.
Thanks all!
February 1, 2012 at 12:56 pm #26197No, new facts won’t overwrite the old ones. Long-term memory has unlimited capacity. Forgetting is simply an inability to locate a fact in the long-term memory. That’s why mnemonics are so useful while studying a language – they create a “path” that leads you to the fact. The more you study, more “paths” you create to a single fact because you also start connecting different facts together :D So actually, studying more will make you remember more!
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February 1, 2012 at 1:21 pm #26201Ah! Thats a great explanation thanks Hattori:)
I’ve never used Mnemonics whilst learning before, however it’s helped me recall my first set of Kanji without any issues.. pretty cool.
Now all I wonder is if I should be mapping words to their English equivalent, or straight to the object in my head.. I know this skips out a step when trying to remember vocab however I find it difficult not to think of the English equivalent..
Thanks again :)
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February 1, 2012 at 1:48 pm #26203I’m pretty sure an “infinite capacity long-term memory” would be a bit of a physical impossibility, at least without your brain growing out of your skull. That being said, I don’t think you’d hit the “limit” even if you lived for a couple hundred of years.
February 1, 2012 at 11:01 pm #26207We don’t store information by creating new neural cells, so it’s impossible for a brain to grow out of the skull because of the increased amount of data. But as you said, our seemingly unlimited memory capacity could be due to our short life spans.
@Eddie: You can connect the words to whatever you like, as long as that makes it easier for you to remember them. Which step is skipped when thinking of English word?
February 1, 2012 at 11:15 pm #26208@Eddie: You are right. Mnemonics (of all kinds) are like brain scaffolding. They are quick and cheap to build and they help you during the slower process of long term memory construction. The eventual goal is to see written Japanese (or hear spoken) and understand it immediately and respond; not to take it in, translate it into English in your head, formulate a response to that English (also in English), translate that back to Japanese and then respond. It takes an incredible amount of time and is actually physically tiring. But! That skill takes a long time to develop.
In terms of kanji, you eventually want to recognize a kanji and know its meaning(s) and reading(s) straight away. The method Heisig proposes that you first look at a kanji and recognize the primitives, remember their “meaning”, remember the story, remember the “meaning” of the kanji. Seems like a lot more work, just like building tons of scaffolding is a lot of work. But it makes the entire building process easier in the long run.
February 1, 2012 at 11:24 pm #26209I want to add that living- eating healthy, avoiding sleep deprivation are essential to help keep a clear mind. Of course you should always do that but only a few knows how much it affects us, especially our brain and takes it for granted =/
February 2, 2012 at 12:55 am #26211@thisiskyle I’ve noticed it is physically tiring, and that’s another nice way of thinking about it, thank you :)
@Ken that is something I’ve been doing recently, and it really does help
February 2, 2012 at 3:53 am #26213Just stick a couple of SSDs in there when it gets too full.
Edit: Oh and I agree! Sleep helps a lot.
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February 2, 2012 at 5:01 am #26218Adam Savage ran out of long-term memory in the twenty-seventh century or so. He invented a sort of external memory device for his brain – though, since earth’s civilization had been wiped out by that asteroid in the twenty-fourth century, he had to do it on his own, using whatever he could scrounge from a twentieth century bunker. It worked, too – as we all know, he’s currently the human race’s first thousand-year-old man. =)
Isn’t it fun what you learn on the Discovery Channel?
February 2, 2012 at 7:15 am #26219I watched that too, Joel! I’ll begin cybernetics at uni in half a year’s time, or at least what comes closest (Engineer of technology and medicine, or some-such fancy name) so this show was right down my alley. He claimed that the first “immortal” could be someone living today though I must say I, unfortunately, think that was added mostly for dramatic effect.
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February 2, 2012 at 9:29 am #26221^Reminds me of Rob Lowe’s character in Parks & Recreation. I also wondered if my brain would get ‘full’ and not be able to hold anything anymore.
February 2, 2012 at 10:03 am #26222^Reminds me of Rob Lowe’s character in Parks & Recreation.
That is literally the best comparison I have ever heard.
February 2, 2012 at 12:02 pm #26236Ahh Parks and Rec… tonight I shall see you again…
As for running out of memory… search for eidetic memory. Don’t worry, your memory blocks have plenty of space– your ‘lack of memory’ is either a conditioned mental block or actual brain damage. When I was around three years old I would remember entire movie dialogues after watching just once which scared me quite a bit later on when a teacher said Einstein died “of a brain explosion”. Oi.
This is my advice to everyone however: stop worrying about memorizing things. Next time you study, don’t get finicky if you don’t recall something you just did or something you did a while. Stop, steady your breathing, close your eyes, whatever, and really concentrate. It doesn’t matter how long it takes, but things stay in your memory naturally. Accessing that memory easily is something that most people have to (re)train themselves how to do.
February 2, 2012 at 1:53 pm #26243ルイ: Yeah, it was all dramatic effect, a way of explaining modern-day scientific advances couched in a sci-fi-ish story – you notice that every time he started explaining what he was about to do, he’d say “based on something from the early twenty-first century”. To be honest, I actually found the storyline a bit creepy…
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