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  • January 9, 2013 at 1:19 am #37870

    vanandrew
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    Have been looking at the conditions of when to use の　or 　こと　for nominalization as per:

    http://www.textfugu.com/season-6/nominalization/7-10/#top

    There’s one point:

    “こと tends to be used on things that are more abstract. ”

    Then examples with の & こと being used for すき & きらい.

    Shouldn’t just こと be used with すき & きらい, and not の, if こと is for abstract things?

    Or is this “abstract things use こと” one of those really flexible rules that gets broken a lot?

     

    January 9, 2013 at 12:08 pm #37892

    Joel
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    Whew, Koichi. Way to illustrate that there’s a difference by making your examples exactly the same.

    Personally, I’d say that 食べること is “I like eating hamburgers in general” while 食べるの is “I like eating this hamburger that I’m holding in my hand”. Or “I’d like to eat that hamburger you’re holding”? =P

    January 9, 2013 at 2:02 pm #37897

    kanjiman8
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    Just out of curiosity Joel, what resources are you using to learn Japanese? Any good recommendations?

     

    EDIT: Saw your mention some resources in this thread http://www.textfugu.com/bb/topic/aussie-in-dubai-learning-japanese-o/

    Question answered I guess, unless you want to add anything more :P

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    January 9, 2013 at 2:07 pm #37898

    Joel
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    I’m studying for a diploma in Japanese at uni – we’re using the Nakama textbook. Or we have been, at least – starting third year next year, and Nakama has only two volumes. I’ve also been using Japanese for Busy People for self-study, and reading through the Dictionary of Japanese Grammar.

    Why, you going to tell me I’m completely wrong? =P

    January 9, 2013 at 2:14 pm #37902

    kanjiman8
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    Not at all :P

    You’re way ahead of me in ability. I’m still in the beginner spectrum.  Was curious what you are using . Hmm, Nakama eh. I’ll take a look at that. The three volumes of DOJG don’t seem to be in stock on Amazon.

    January 11, 2013 at 10:21 pm #37987

    vanandrew
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    Thanks Joel, that’s much better.

    It this lesson it also deals with こと　が　ある, and describes it as “to have the action.”, or “time when the action happens/happened.”

    Would it be fair to say another way to view this would be “to have the experience” or “to have had the experience (of that the action)”?

     

    January 11, 2013 at 10:23 pm #37988

    Joel
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    Aye. In fact, that’s how I’d describe it first.

    January 11, 2013 at 10:35 pm #37989

    vanandrew
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    Thanks, Mr Scottish-Japanese.

    January 12, 2013 at 6:10 am #37993

    MisterM2402 [Michael]
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    Is Joel Scottish…? I never knew.

    January 12, 2013 at 12:01 pm #38000

    Joel
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    No, he’s just making a joke because I said “aye”. =P

    Mind you, I used to get asked if I were Canadian a lot, because I’d finish sentences online with “eh?”…

    Edit: Post number 38,000! Woo! Or as we say in these parts, 三万八千. =D

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    January 12, 2013 at 3:29 pm #38006

    vanandrew
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    Joel – I was going to credit you with being multi-lingual!

     

    Ha! Congrats!

    January 12, 2013 at 8:30 pm #38011

    MisterM2402 [Michael]
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    Woah, for a minute there I thought you were saying that was YOUR 38,000th post o.O
    I was thinking “how much time does this guy spend on here?!” XD

    And we do say “aye” a lot, so it’s a reasonable assumption ;)

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