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  • #19570

    ゼロス
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    I am in Japanese class and I have a writing test Monday and I am having a really hard time getting and understanding particles… like which ones mean what and how to use them… can anyone help me understand them a bit better.

    #19571

    From my notes
    (this was made for myself, so there will be parts missing and so on, since it is only what I found hard that I have written down)

    を is used to refer to the object / thing we’re doing an action to. For example: Wash the car. Eat food. Drink soda. The “direct object” are the bolded words. We’re doing things to them, using the verbs.

    The particle に is used to indicate the indirect object (i.e. who, what, or where an object is directed to). For example, in the sentence “give a present to Sandra” we are indicating that the present is going to Sandra.
    The particle に is used with verbs that are associated with motion, places, dates, times, as well as indicate what an object is directed to

    Particel の shows possesion
    ex
    あんどう の もり = Mr. Ando’s Woods
    もり の あんどう = Mr. Ando of the Woods / Woods’ Mr. Ando

    は/が
    Mean is/are/am (depending on the tense)
    がemphasizes what come before it!!
    ex:
    しごとがすきです
    この くるま が ほしい です

    はemphasizes what comes after it!!
    かれ は にほんじん かしら?

    Hope that helped

    #19573

    ゼロス
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    Thank you for helping I am spazzing out about the midterms because even though i have an A if i fail the Midterm I auto fail the class -.- the midterm is worth 40% of your grade in my class which is twice as much as the final is worth so ya XD Welcome to College life I suppose XD

    #19574

    ゼロス
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    Oh and do you happen to know what section of Textfugu goes over particles?

    #19598

    irmoony
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    Well, there are a few lessons about particles spread out thorough the entire TextFugu: は particle in S2, CH6, が in S3, CH3, を and に are learned alongside verbs, then と and で in S6, chapters 1 and 3 respectively. So yeah, it’s kinda all over the place (it would be too much if we had to learn it all at once, wouldn’t it :p)

    I’m not sure if there’s a bit overview on particles anywhere, I’m only in S4 myself.

    #19604

    Luke
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    #19618

    ゼロス
    Member

    I love how you say it would be to much to learn at once XD my teacher for first quarter Japanese wants us to learn all the particles by Monday…. and have them memorized XD that’s why I don’t particularly like school classes they rush you through it.
    by the way she just first introduced particles Wednesday XD

    • This reply was modified 13 years ago by  ゼロス.
    #19619

    ゼロス
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    ahh omg thanks Yggbert you’re the best!

    So I want to make sure I understand this

    Watashi no pen desu = This is my pen
    Watashi Wa Chelsea Desu = I am Chelsea
    Watashi Ga Chelsea Desu = I am Chelsea (like used if someone was to ask “who is the Chelsea in this room”)
    I understand Wo is to mark an object but could someone give me an example
    Ichi ji ni Desu = It is 1 o’clock (not sure if I wrote that right)
    And could someone give me an example of how Mo would be used so I can understand that a bit better :) thank you!

    • This reply was modified 13 years ago by  ゼロス.
    #19623

    1)It is my pen
    2) you would just remove わたしは
    3) が is a hard one i recommend doing the lesson…
    4) 日本語 を ならいます ~ i learn Japanese
    5) take the lesson
    6) not at that lesson yet… Think that is season 6

    #19624

    “all the particles”: Which particles do you mean by that? Just は、が、に、も、を、と and で? Or *every* particle in existance, including から、や、とか、ばかり、のに、etc…?
    Should the teacher not be *teaching* you them throughout the course, rather than giving you one weekend to learn them all (the big ones at least)? Sounds a terrible course.

    が is also used with intransitive verbs (“indirect action verbs”) – まど が しまりました (the window closed) as opposed to まど を しめます (I/he/she closed the window). は and が are tricky to get your head around, but it all comes through practice and experience.

    Similar to an example from Tae Kim’s Guide (for “mo”):
    トム:わたし は がくせい です。- I am a student.
    メーリ:わたし がくせい です。- I am a student too.
    You can even just say わたし も to mean “Yeah, me too.”

    に/へ are used to going to places, though に can also be used with times like you said. に is going somewhere with purpose whereas へ is more “going in that general direction”. Not terribly important which is used; people sometimes use them according to preference, so you will be understood.

    Think of はas meaning “As for [blank], I have these things to say about it.”

    An example of を…
    すし を たべます – Eat sushi
    ビール を のみます – Drink beer
    こうえん を あるきます – Walk through the park (You’d think “to walk” would take に because it’s a motion verb, but in this case it doesn’t. Maybe it only takes を in general, I’m not actually sure)
    ドア を しめます – Close door
    おまえ を ころします!!! – Kill you!! (Though I doubt you’d be so formal as to use ます form; you’d maybe say something like ころすぞ!!haha)

    Just using ます form with spaces and no kanji here cause I’m assuming you haven’t learned plain form yet (and that kanji probably scare you :P).

    You can’t “memorise” particles; you just have to know how to use them. If you’re asked “What does は mean?” and all you can say is the answer you’ve memorised – “Is” or something – then that doesn’t represent your understanding at all. Sounds a terrible course if I’m honest XD (After reading this back and going to edit it, I realised I already said that at the top :P)

    EDIT: Bear in mind also that most (if not all of) the particles you’re asking about have plenty of other meanings too, but I’m assuming what I’ve mentioned here are the most basic uses. が can mean “but”, も can mean “as much as”, etc. You’ll learn those other meanings soon enough, though :)

    Maybe I should scrap my Computer Science degree and just teach Japanese instead… I actually quite enjoyed typing this! :D Raise a generation of students that don’t even know the meaning of the word “romaji” >:D

    #19627

    ゼロス
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    I cant read half of what you wrote… I know most hirigana but i know absolutely no Katakana and for which particles just the は、が、に、も、を、と and で thank god any more than that and I think my head would explode she also only gave us the weekend to learn the verbs Like Tabemasu and stuff like that

    #19628

    Get learning your kana then!! I only typed two katakana words, which the meaning, at least, can be guessed from the translation. Take ドア を しめます for example: ドア is written in katakana, but since it comes before the を and the object in the translation is “door”, you should be able to guess it means door! XD Or use a dictionary…

    If you are learning more than “wa” and “ga”, then you are obviously not a complete beginner, so I’m not sure why you can’t read what I wrote…? I wrote those sentences how TextFugu writes them! :D

    #19629

    ゼロス
    Member

    I was told by my teacher not to learn Katakana yet, not this quarter.

    #19630

    No no no: when I said “kana” I really meant just “hiragana” haha. 99% of the Japanese I wrote was in hiragana, and you said you couldn’t read it, so I was saying that you should study more! :D Katakana *is* pretty useful, but it’s probably not essential for you just yet.

    I should really have split up the first two sentences, to make it clearer what I meant.

    #19642

    ゼロス
    Member

    I think we both misunderstood each other XD when i said i couldn’t understand part of it I was referring to the Katakana part I can read Hirigana I am just very slow at it XD anyways thanks :) I think I am just freaking out because I have test-phobia which is like fear of heights only with tests… so yeah… not so good XD but thank you for the information it will help a lot!

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