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  • #37876

    eru777
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    I finished Fugu’s Kanji list andI’m trying to find a way to learn the most common ON/KUN readings of the rest Joyo Kanji. Any links you can share?

    I’ll be using this, I think.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_j%C5%8Dy%C5%8D_kanji

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    #37877

    I think most people give up learning on/kun readings once they figure out that the rules regarding the usage of on/kun barely can be called rules. I suggest you give it a try to just learn vocab, and learn the kanji at the same time. You will start remembering which kanji have what sound when in compound words as soon as you know enough vocab, so I would say time is better spent on pure vocab study where you learn kanji along the way rather than pure kanji study.

    That said, I recommend doing RTK initially to get an understanding of kanji. This will help you greatly in recognizing patterns etc – even if you stop reviewing.

    #37882

    eru777
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    By “RTK” do you mean using the “Reviewing the Kanji” website or actually buying the book?

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    #37885

    coclans
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    I’ll be recommending the way I do it.

    Find a list of the Kanji needed for each certificate of JPLT.  E.g. http://www.jlptstudy.net/

    Pick a Kanji to learn.

    Make a search for that Kanji on Jisho, by using * on the left and right of the Kanji, while having “Common words only” ticked. This way you’ll be getting all the combinations of that Kanji with other characters, but just common only words (that’s the case usually, explanation following).

    E.g. http://jisho.org/words?jap=%EF%BC%8A%E5%91%B3%EF%BC%8A&eng=&dict=edict&common=on

    Now, go through the words and make a new vocabulary list from those that you can learn now. Meaning
    that no other Kanji in that particular word is unknown. But be careful, because although only the most common words are shown, sometimes that might not be true. Consider looking through the sentences for that word, too, to make sure you’re actually learning something that has an accurate translation and is
    used often.

    The result is an amount of words that could be useful and can give you both a general sense of the Kanji’s meaning, and the readings. Remember, that since common words only appear, you’ll be getting the most commonly encountered readings, too. Like Mark, I wouldn’t recommend focusing on the readings though either.

    Edit: I can’t for the life of me edit this properly.

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    #37894

    eru777
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    Thank you both  マーク・ウェーバー  and coclans for your suggestions, I will take what you said into consideration  . I too think that learning every on and kun reading is no good at all. I will focus on learning the Joyo list, as it is the bare minimum to actually be able to read mangas or in my case, Hatsune Miku videos and Japanese blogs.

     

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    #37895

    I meant RTK as in remembering the kanji ;)

    Also, I don’t see the point in picking from a list of words and kanji you want to learn since you will probably meet words you don’t know all the time. Just add these to your anki deck, and eventually you will have no more words to add ^^ It is more way more fun than doing a list, and you have an example sentence right away.

     

    #37900

    Joel
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    I think most people give up learning on/kun readings once they figure out that the rules regarding the usage of on/kun barely can be called rules.

    Even so, knowing the readings means you can make an educated guess when presented with a completely new word.

    #37901

    coclans
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    I’m more into knowing it before you’ve seen it. Less pressure and faster reading when finding new reading material. :-)

    #38391

    Luke
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    I did almost all of RTK and called it quits around 1900 in, so boring and I don’t think it really helped that much. It’s hard to say. I think spending all the time I spent doing that on just doing Core decks would have been a better idea. I wish I just learnt vocab instead.

    #38396

    eru777
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    When you say Core decks , you mean Vocab? I’m still reviewing the anki cards btw.

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    #38397

    He is referring to  the core 2k/6k decks. They contain 6k words in total, with example sentences and audio – it is a pretty good deck overall :) You can either download them through anki og sign up at their website.

    #38398

    eru777
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    Oh, I see. Thanks.

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    #38401

    Anonymous

    You could try WaniKani.

    #38407

    eru777
    Member

    I’ll check both out thanks .

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    #38411

    Agree 100% with Mark. Don’t worry about readings, you’ll pick up the common/useful ones quickly as you learn vocab; give RTK I a shot, but don’t bother with book II or III.

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