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  • #35007

    Razoroo
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    Sorry if someone has already posted something similar before.

    I’m not sure if this is an absolutely horrific idea or not, but it seems to work (For me at least…).

    I find one of the hardest things to learn is the vocab of the Japanese language. I’ve been making sure to not go too fast or too slow, and to keep a nice steady pace when I am learning the vocab, but my brain just can’t handle it for some unusual reason. It may be because my brain is trying to learn it in a way that confuses itself (Trust me, my brain often does this…), but for whatever reason it just wont work.

    And then, I found a stack of post-it notes inside my desk, and that’s how everything changed.

    While reviewing on Anki I now write down any new/old words that have been destroying my brain from the inside onto a post-it note, and on the back of the post-it note (The sticky side) I write its meaning and any other additional information which is needed. I then stick the post-it note onto my monitor around the edges, and for some reason I tend to memorize the words that once haunted me.

    I would love if someone could help me on why this does/doesn’t work, and then explain why its either a good or atrocious idea (I get the feeling these words are only being shoved into my short term memory).

    And thanks for reading :)

    #35009

    kanjiman8
    Member

    Firstly, if it works for you then it’s by no means atrocious. Everybody learns things in different ways. It’s not a bad idea, but probably one I wouldn’t do myself. When I got up to the post it note part of your post (no pun intended :D), I initially thought you were going to say you’ve been sticking the notes on various things around your house with the Japanese word written on them. That seems to work for some people in helping them remember vocab.

    Once you’ve got a vocab word into your long term memory, start creating your own sentences containing that word to help cement it further into your brain. If you haven’t done so already, post on Lang-8. You’ll get feedback from native Japanese people who’ll correct your mistakes.

    Basically, learning a word is only half the battle when cementing it into your long term memory. You have to use the word in sentences to have a greater chance of remembering it for years and years.

    #35035

    Aikibujin
    Member

    I do this myself as well.

    But I actually have a system on top of this, rather than just doing that alone.

    I began my Japanese learning myself before I started TF, so I have about 700 Japanese flashcards that I’ve done up, that I’m still working through, which I created at various points when I was studying Japanese in a classroom environment.

    I’ve learned about 2/3 of the cards with certainty, but the others are harder for me to absorb for whatever reason.

    I basically divide them into a daily deck, weekly deck, and monthly deck. When I drill myself on the daily cards, if I get one correct 5 times (5 days), I move it into the weekly deck, if I get a weekly card correct 4 times, I move it to the monthly deck. If I get a monthly card correct 4 times, I semi retire the card as learned, and I occasionally will go through that pile making sure that I know everything at first glance, if not, it goes back to the daily pile.

    As far as the post its go, if I have a card that I get wrong twice in the weekly or monthly deck, I put it back to the daily deck. If this happens twice with any card, then I make a post it of it and put it on my monitor just as you do.

    A bit more complicated, but it tends to stop my monitor from being crowded with post its.

    Also as a side note, any Anki cards that I have particular problems with, I make a physical flashcard for and put it through the above process. So I’d have to be having a whole lot of trouble with an Anki word before it becomes a post it. The only one I’ve had to do that with so far is the word for police officer and nearly for subway. Those words just wouldn’t stick in my brain for whatever reason.

    I got the idea from when my ESL students were having problems with words and I noticed that my housemate at the time used post its to remind him about things on his monitor. They seemed to have good results with this as well.

    Basically it’s just a case of saturation. The more you see something the more you will remember it, as they say, out of sight out of mind. You may be correct however, in that it’s only getting stored short term.  Even if you learn a word fairly well, if you were having problems with it before, it’s going to fade away over time.

    So as Kanjiman said you need to start using these in sentences.

    What I got my students to do was to make huge lists of the words they knew and to break them down into categories: Nouns, Adjectives, and Verbs.

    Then I got them to make a separate list of situations they could be in where these words would be used.

    For instance a very basic word list:

    Apple, banana, food, drink, chair, table, male, female, child, puppy, ball, winter, summer, rain, insects, and textbook.

    Situation list:

    Having lunch at a cafeteria, eating a snack at school, walking your puppy through a park, daydreaming in class, etc.

    So then you would take the situation and try to write a story about it using as many of the words that you know. If you don’t know enough to make a story then just try to write as many related sentences about it.

    My students were a lot more advanced so their situations were more like: Renewing your visa at the embassy, applying for a driver’s license, etc.

    This helps you retain the words you know, and also points out new words you need to learn if you are trying to make a story and can’t figure out how to explain a part of it.

    Obviously this will only be helpful once you get to the point that you do know around 15-20 each of Nouns, Verbs, and Adjectives, so you may need more time if you aren’t there yet.

     

     

    #35042

    Razoroo
    Member

    Woah, Thanks for your feedback and help!

    I have never really used Lang-8 but for some reason I remember creating an account… I will definitely be using Lang-8 from now on to help me when reviewing vocabulary and sentences (And to check for mistakes).

    And I may have to steal that flashcard system you have in place there Aikibujin :) It seems to be a lot better than filling my monitor with post-it notes :)

    And after reading both posts, I can now say I am going to practice sentences a lot more than I used to…

    Once again, thanks!

    #35057

    Anonymous

    Protip: You essentially made a physical SRS.

    Second Protip: The reason why it works is because you write it down.

    Write people, WRITE.

    #35060

    Clement
    Member

    Hmm..maybe I should place post its around my room on all the stuff. I don’t know how 90% of the stuff in my room is called in Japanese. Could end up making a mess though lol.

    #35070

    Aikibujin
    Member

    One of my instructors got me to do that once, and it was just annoying as they got everywhere.

    It’s a good idea, but I think a better way would just be to add the words to your Anki deck. So every week look around your house and identify a certain number of objects that you don’t know and add them to your deck.

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