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I didn’t mean for my comment to come off as saying that there isn’t some benefit that could be had from studying RTK. Of course if you have all the time in the world to study countless hours, you can study any and every material you rheart desires.
But far too often I hear about students who ignore everything but RTK near the beginning of their studies and focus purely on RTK. This I fail to see as beneficial. Again this could be affected by the fact that I am living in Japan and for me to ignore learning other stuff (my time is limited working full time of course) and to just focus on Kanji without learning readings or vocab, seems like a waste of time for me.
You are right. I did start learning RTK for a bit, but when I saw that the Kanji I was learning I almost NEVER saw in Japan, or if I did, it was extremely rare. (And I know you’re supposed to learn the components of a kanji first etc etc) But for me, breaking down a kanji wasn’t really a problem. I don’t get when people say it looks like a jumbled mess.
I simply bought a Jouyou kanji book and it taught about radicals too. I learned in the same basic process an elementary school kid would. I know Koichi’s method bashes this too because in Japan they learn the kanji with easier concepts and meanings because kids wouldn’t understand more complicated ones.
However, I doubt any students could use these kanji that they learn because the meanings and concepts are beyond their ability to express in Japanese.
Anyways, yeah, I just wanted to express my thoughts on the subject of RTK and the methods of which people learn Kanji. I am a firm believer that if you don’t use it, you lose it. Anki can only go so far. You need to be putting what you learn into practice.
AnonymousI haven’t read any except for a few posts in this thread, but here’s my well regarded opinion.
I did RTK. Took me like 2 and a half weeks at around 100 new Kanji a day. No more than 1 1/2 hours a day reviewing/adding. As soon as I was done I dropped it and deleted my deck. Now after adding vocab I come across and/or kore6k deck I have almost a 80% or so probability of being able to write any Kanji I see after viewing it once. This is important for 2 reasons: 1) I want to be completely fluent, so writing is important to me and 2) it helps remembering vocabulary and makes it some of the easiest chit ever. As opposed to before RTK, where I would fail 50% of my vocab cards multiple days in a row, I now fail 10-20% and no more than once or twice.
これ全部主観的ですけどね。 お前らの経験は違うかもしれない。ファーゲットス。（最後の分は分かる人に１０点あげる）
Reason and logic have failed us. This issue can now only be decided via deathmatch.
AnonymousThere is only room for 1 to remain inside the cage.
LET THE GAMES BEGIN
I think RTK would have been more effective if it had taught you just how to write the kanji (thus making it WTK, but whatever) – teach you the radicals and the different styles and combinations you can get of them, obviously giving various examples each time. Or he could have at least condensed the book a bit: teaching you how to remember all 2200 is a bit long-winded, so he could’ve only include the most common 1000/1500 or something. Once you’ve covered that many, learning new kanji as you see them in new words is much easier.
I don’t regret doing RTK (didn’t exactly take long), just feel it could be more streamlined. Bbvoncrumb’s method sounds quite good too actually; would make it much much quicker.
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