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  • #24300

    isocracy
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    おはようみなさん,

    I might be missing something really obvious, but season two has confused me in places.

    Anki is great, however the decks throw me off. Kanji 2.1 is fine.. Gives me the ‘On’ reading and a mnemonic to accompany it.. but then I get to Kanji Vocab 2.1 and it throws out the Kun reading with no mnemonic device or a suggested way to practice/remember (I’d hate to go back to just cramming like i did with Hiragana). Also, in Kanji Vocab 2.1 it throws out ふらんす人 in Katakana (which I have yet to touch on via the advice of Textfugu). I can deal with it and just rinse and repeat through Anki till I am able to recall them. Just seems like the Kanji part isn’t as structured and seems to go off on it’s own tangent just when I am starting to get into the flow.

    But I know, it’s supposed to be a challenge and that pushing myself and actually digging for the answer in the end is far more productive. I just don’t want to be spending lots of time cramming on the Kun readings (and frustrating myself) if I’m just missing something obvious.

    You help is much appreciated, ありがとうございます!

    #24310

    ooh_a_robot
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    I had the same problem until very recently… I’m halfway through Season 2, and had imported all the relevant kanji decks. Some of it was fine, but the kanji vocab was throwing me completely. I just found myself cycling through the same cards again and again, without ever really remembering them.

    I decided that I had clearly missed something, or tried to run before I could walk, so I suspended any cards that were causing me problems for now (pretty much just the kun readings and that katakana card, just as you have done), ignored Anki completely for a while, and went back through it all again on the lessons.
    Looking through the kanji pages, I realised I hadn’t devoted enough time to learning the Kunyomi at all. You are correct, there are no mnemonics for the Kun readings, as it’s essentially vocab. It’s just gonna take pure memorisation, same as nouns, verbs etc.

    Are you taking any sort of notes to revise from, or is it just Anki and the lessons on here that you are using? I find writing things down really helps me remember them, so I’ve started making my own revision notebook. At the moment I’m devoting an A5 page to each Kanji and its readings, so I can see them all at a glance whenever I have a few minutes to spare.

    For me, I can’t use Anki effectively until I am a bit more familiar with what is on the cards. Cycling through the same unfamiliar cards over and over does nothing to help me recall them at all. That could just be me though… I hope you find a method that helps you to remember them. Try not to get too frustrated, it will all click eventually!

    (apologies for the lack of hiragana, I’m on my work computer!)

    #24311

    Luke
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    I don’t think it’s worth doing the kanji sections on this website, I stopped doing them a while ago because there’s much better resources out there I think.

    You are right though, they did feel a bit disjointed at times and I rarely saw any of the kanji being used in lessons.

    #24312

    ルイ
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    I recommend you make your own mnemonics. It’s fairly easy with most Japanese words. Keep saying the Japanese word over and over again while trying to figure out what it sounds like in English (or any other language you know). You can also make your own words from the starting letters of the hiraganas that are involved in the word. I still remember my mnemonic for the word しんぶん (newspaper). I thought it sounded a bit like “she burned”, so I made the mnemonic “she burned the newspaper”. Sometimes you may have to really stretch it like that, but I find that even then you will remember the words way faster(and longer).

    Regardless of mnemonics, as you get used to learning new words, you will get better at remembering them automatically.

    #24328

    TangSooPap
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    I made myself some old school flash cards on index cards (cut in half) for the more difficult stuff (*coff* kun readings *coff*). I take them everywhere and keep them near me at home. Watching a TV show? When the ads come on the cards come out.
    Also when learning new vocab I make index cards and first look at the hiragana side, pronounce and then try to remember the English meaning. The mnemonics idea is helpful. Afterwards I then reverse the cards and tackle the English to Japanese trying to visualize the hiragana in my mind. I also take them 5 at a time rather than 10. Later the Anki is useful in developing long term memory.
    Before I started here I used the Michel Thomas Method (not too expensive at Amazon, great for speaking) and found that the repeated use of new words in sentences rather than just solo vocab words really helped in the memorization. Right now I’m starting on the Michel Thomas Method Advanced course. It’s a good supplement.

    #24339

    ooh_a_robot
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    I used to use Michel Thomas too… haven’t finished the course yet though (started to get a bit annoyed with the format to be honest… all of their voices grated on me after a while, especially the female student). Will finish it at some point though, as I learnt quite a lot.

    #24343

    TangSooPap
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    Yeah, she’s like me, a C- student! =_= She’s actually worse in the Advanced course. I put them on my MP3 and play/replay a lesson or two while on the way to the gym. I recently went thru all 8 disks again before starting on the Advanced course.
    What I really like about it is the vocab being used in meaningful sentences not just random words to learn.

    #24344

    ooh_a_robot
    Member

    I just found the students to be really slow sometimes… how many times did she have to say to the guy ‘Make the word sound long… coooheeee, not like how we say coffee’ and he’s still pronouncing it like in English, with short vowels??
    But yeah, it is very helpful once you get used to them. Everything you learn is used over and over again, drawing back old words into new contexts. I like it.

    #24356

    isocracy
    Member

    Cheers for the help!

    I’m glad I’m not just being a dumb ass and missing an entire portion of the lesson.

    My vocab skills aren’t too bad, I’ve picked up a cornucopia of words from either my own research or my colleague (Old time JET’er) 「ぱいずり」 being my favorite!
    But I’ve learned all of these through applying them to sentences with particles, rather than just repetition.
    Meh, I’ll carry on as usual then. I do keep a pad full of hiragana + Kanji (although it’s very disorganized). Will just make myself some flash cards to keep in my wallet.
    Have a great weekend everyone!

    #24357

    TangSooPap
    Member

    Freezing here this weekend isocracy but thanks! And you’re so right ooh_a_robot, the コーヒー thing drove me crazy too! O_o Annoying!
    Ok…where’s my cards………. °~°

    #24372

    isocracy
    Member

    Yggbert: What are the ‘other resources’ you mentioned? I’d like to get an idea of accompaniments people use with textfugu.. especially for Kanji?

    #24373

    Luke
    Member

    http://www.readthekanji.com is a really good website, but once you’ve used it for a while it starts to focus on compound kanji instead of teaching single kanji which is problematic I thought. So I’ve stopped using the website until I have a good grip of the kanji meanings on their own, for that I am using the book Remembering the Kanji which is okay, it works, I think it’s pretty boring but it seems to be one of the best options.

    Both of the above use the Joyo kanji list so you are looking at around ~2136 to get through in total, I think Read the Kanji is going to be really useful when I finish this book, it’s also great for learning vocab and reading sentences.

    #24440

    isocracy
    Member

    Yggbert, thank you mate.. most helpful.

    I thought about purchasing ‘Remembering the Kanji’ a while back, but got a little put off as back then I couldn’t even remember ’あ’ はは!

    Kewl, will give it a bash, thank you for your advice. A little guidance goes a long way!

    #24569

    isocracy
    Member

    ‘General Update 1-15-2012′ – Didn’t even have to mention it.. they read my mind.. Hoping this may cure my headache a little!

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