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    Kroentschies
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    Hello

    I just arrived at the kore, sore, are-section of Season 2
    http://www.textfugu.com/season-2/this-that-that-over-there/8-5/#top

    The text says

    これ: This – refers to something the speaker has in his/her possession.
    それ: That – refers to something that the person the speaker is talking to has in their possession.
    あれ: That over there – refers to something that neither the speaker or the person being spoken to has. i.e. it’s away from both of them.

    My book I’m learning with says, the this and that are referring to things either closer to the person who speaks (kore) or the person who is listening (sore). The that over there part, maybe not even visible (are).
    The あれ I understand.
    But I’m kind of confused about the これ and the それ part.
    Does the something has to be in the possession of one person?
    Or is closer by either the speaker or the listener enough to choose between これ or それ?

    I do understand the pencil part which is explained earlier in this season.
    But what about a newspaper lying on a regular sized table at which two persons are having lunch?
    The newspaper is the property of the restaurant owner. One of the two person picket it out of the newspaper holder.
    How would you refer to this newspaper: Depending on who touched it last or who sits closer to it?

    Thanks 

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    #24570

    Kroentschies
    Member

    Sorry if I got the wrong place!

    #24596

    Joel
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    Starting a new thread is fine.

    And to address your question: yes, nearby is close enough. Psychologically or physically. For the newspaper, whoever’s sitting closest to it would use これ. If they’re both sitting in arms’ length, they might both use これ, though it might depend a bit on the context – for example if one person were to ask the other to pass the paper, he’d use それ even if he were close enough to reach it, because he’s now being psychologically distant.

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    Kroentschies
    Member

    Thanks for your helpful answer.

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