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… Or “Why I am having trouble learning the Kanji via Textfugu”.
1. For every Kanji there’s mostly different stories for the meaning as well as the 音読み of it. Sometimes they are kinda connected, but multiple stories per Kanji are hard on the memory.
2. The reading is mostly a difficult to remember pun into english pronounciation of things.
3. There’s no way to customize stories to fit my twisted brains working.
4. There’s no trace of the stories when doing reviews using Anki past the initial learning stage. When I see a Kanji head-on I can’t remember the story, which results in neither knowing the meaning nor the reading of the kanji. In order to correct this, the individual Kanji has to be browsed on the site.My individual problems on top of that:
1. Fugu is working Kanji -> meaning, reading, while my initial learning via RTK went Keyword -> Kanji
Downside of RTK: Only “meaning”, readings have to be learnt later (somehow). Kanji don’t feel “done” or “learnt”.
I like the Kanji-Vocab a lot, but my retention of newly learnt Kanji on Fugu is really not en par.
To be able to study on Fugu you need to know the Kanji-Vocab.Now, what do?
I made a little modification to one of Koichi’s Anki Flashcards. It is a homage to the “Lazy Kanji” method that is used for learning the Kanji the RTK way, but modified.
This little fill-in-the-blank sentence helps to remember the meaning and on-yomi without giving them away directly.http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/9113/ideaw.jpg
What are your oppinions about this?
After doing RTK I found the best thing to do was just learn vocabulary (in kanji). You will be learning thousands of words and the readings of the kanji will come naturally through that.
AS I stalled RTK for quite a while (again) at 1600ish Kanji, I’d have to go with a fresh review 1 to 1600… I’d prolly go with a modified lazy kanji anki deck this time.
I really like Koichi’s approach and all, tho.
I think learning the readings through vocabulary would be the way to go as well. I am just a beginner but this is my thinking on the matter.
1. It’s more practical to use your time to learn a word instead of just a reading.
2. The more connections there are for a piece of information the more likely you are to remember it. Learning a vocabulary word has more connections and many words have multiple kanji in them so you can learn a couple different readings in one word.
3. From what I understand even native speakers usually don’t necessarily know what reading to use unless they have previous experience with the word and already know which reading is used. If that is the case what is the point of just remembering readings if you won’t know which one to use anyway? You’ll still have to look the word up to confirm.
4. Seems to me learning the readings through vocabulary would also save you the trouble of learning obscure readings that are hardly ever used.
If I’m mistaken in my thinking please feel free to correct me.
-Sumimasen
You should link Kanji’s pronunciation to vocabs.
Maybe create your own deck with vocabs using those on and kun you are studying. I think your retention would be way better like that than if you try to memorize the kun and on of each particular kanji.
You could use those words Koichi classify as ” we will learn them later ”
Even if they use Kanji you don’t know yet.And as a plus, you learn vocabs!
On a side note, if you did RTK, I would use Koichi’s section, since the story aren’t the same and it can be counter-productive. I’d just jump inside Koichi’s ultimate list with Kanji input. And after that, add vocabs I found here and there.
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This reply was modified 13 years, 3 months ago by
Reiden.
I found that using my own story for some of the radicals and kanji really helped, especially for some of the “box” radicals since there’s so many. I reference tv shows, musicals, whatever pops into my head. And I will only ever remember one story so for kanji I try to include the meaning, on reading and some info about the radicals used to build it. I just have a hand-written list of them, the process of writing things down helps me to remember as well.
As for the anki decks, for any that are really difficult I add the story to the answer part of the card and hilite the meaning and reading in different colours like Koichi does in the lessons. That way I get a chance to remember without the story and if I fail I can read the answer and hit again to try and remember it a few minutes later.I have to agree with everyone for learning the rest of the readings – vocab vocab and more vocab.
HTH
Holy fugu, I decided to refresh my Kanji koohii account’s review tab by removing and re-adding all my old cards. Some cards were too far ahead in the like 7 reviews tab and wouldn’t turn up for months :P
http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/8757/delicious.jpg
Look how deliciously fresh this looks. So many juicy reviews just waiting for me to bite =)
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