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  • #38630

    Isaac Graham
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    I’m nearly at the end of season 2 so far, the main thing I’m having trouble with is remembering the readings of kanji, and what the meanings are of some words. Also some of the mnemonics do not make much sense to me, for example 夕.

    But I’ve only just started, I hope to improve immensely over time.

    #38631

    hey
    Member

    If a mnemonic doesn’t make sense to you, then come up with one that does. They should be easy for you to recall. Sometimes I can’t think of an easy mnemonic, but it’s best to really try. Sometimes the act of trying to think of a mnemonic is enough to put the word into your head.

    As for remembering the readings for kanji I had a hard time remembering if a sound was on or kun. I asked several times for advice on the boards here, and only got useless answers like “You just remember.” In the defense of the people responding I wasn’t asking the right question. The question I should have asked was “Is there a good way to remember which is which?” The answer is yes. When I use Anki on the kanji deck I say the meaning of the, say to myself “this is an on’yomi”, and then the sound. The step of actively reminding myself it’s the on’yomi reading is the trick to remembering which sound goes with on vs. kun.

    #38636

    Isaac Graham
    Member

    Thanks for the advice.

    #38649

    Wasif Asif
    Member

    @ hey,

    Well that’s a bit of a relief to hear. I’ve finally reached day 7 and I still haven’t experienced any sense of burning out so I must be doing something right. Finally managed to get the bulk of  Hiragana into my head (All the characters!).

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    #38676

    hey
    Member

    @Ben Reilly – Are you a software developer by chance?

    #38677

    Ben Reilly
    Member

    @hey — I’m a PhD student in computer science. So by skill set, yes I am (could be) a software developer, but not by profession. I guess it depends on why you’re asking.

    #38678

    hey
    Member

    @Wasif Asif – Have you seen my advice for learning katakana, and hiragana?

    This page: http://www.manythings.org/japanese/kana/

    has lots of tools to practice the kanas. The two best are:

    http://www.manythings.org/flvb/movies1.html
    http://www.manythings.org/flvb/movies2.html

    They give you American movie titles using katakana which is a great way to practice. If you miss a few characters in the title of the movie getting the rest will be enough for you to get the correct answer from the choices, which is a great way to learn from you mistakes. The sooner you get feedback the faster you learn. Getting feedback as I answered the questions really sped up my learning of the kanas, and helped me to find out whatever characters gave me the most trouble.

    #38679

    hey
    Member

    @Ben Reilly – Your picture is tiny, so it’s hard to say, but you look like a guy I met at a Microsoft convention last October.

    #38719

    Ben Reilly
    Member

    Ah, I am not he, sorry. I see from your introduction post that you are a software developer. Do you work for Microsoft?

    #38720

    hey
    Member

    I do not work for Microsoft. I was lucky enough to be sent to a Microsoft conference for work. I’ve also been lucky enough to write applications for some fairly well known organizations, and I’m currently writing health care applications.

    I’ve found Japanese to be fairly challenging, but when I first started writing code it was challenging as well. Knowing my weaknesses as a programmer was key to getting better. One day I suddenly realized people were looking to me as the experienced software developer. I take the lessons I learned from becoming an experienced programmer, and apply them to learning Japanese. It’s not too different from the philosophies you’ve expressed.

    #38763

    Wasif Asif
    Member

    Finally finished Season 1 which went smoother than expected and I’ve got Hiragana down fairly well. Season 2 started off nicely but the Kanji part has got me extremely frustrated with all this “Radicals” and multiple meaning’s waffle. I think what got me really vexed was trying to import the decks into Anki as the steps laid out from the lessons don’t seem to play out well in reality (Can’t seem to import additional content into an existing deck, all it does is just import the deck as a new one).

    With regards to Kanji the Radicals are easy to remember (At least the first few that are presented). What confuses me are the multiple meanings -_-’

    Fortunately season 2 is moving back towards Hiragana again and the current focus is on ”
    “でした”.

    Unfortunately I get the feeling my confusion with Kanji is going to cause some serious issues later down the line. Grrrr. I feel kinda stupid from not being able to follow Kanji at such a basic stage!

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    #38772

    hey
    Member

    Don’t worry about kanji it takes time. It takes time for people who live kanji 24/7. You can’t expect to pick it up faster can you?

    One thing I did, but not around season 2, much closer to season 4, is learn the top 100 kanji. It’s a really good bang for your buck sort of thing. It won’t nearly be enough to let you pick up a book, and read, but they do pop up a lot, and it’s a great start.

    #38773

    Mena
    Member

    @hey
    I’m already at season 4, where can I find these top 100 kanji you speak of?! I’d like to follow your lead!

    #38780

    hey
    Member

    Here you go:

    http://www.kanji-a-day.com/100kanji.php

    I also decided to learn the stroke order for the top 100 kanji as well. That slows you down a bit, but it’s worth it because I can have a very strong sense of the stroke order for just about any other kanji I see. I still come across kanji that learning these don’t help me with, but nine times out of ten I know the stroke order or kanji I’ve never seen.

    Why does stroke order matter?

    There are plenty of times I can’t copy, and paste kanji. When I’m on the street, when it’s an image, when it’s in a book, etc. There are three different tools you can use to look up a kanji by stroke order, and sometimes you can get away with getting the stroke order wrong, but usually if you want to find it you have to be exact, or 95% correct.

    The one I use the most, is an app for my android called kanji recognizer. I can’t recommend this app enough. It also includes a quiz mode that lets you practice JLPT kanji, or your favorites. The author is awesome, and has responded to every email I’ve sent him, and even added a couple of feature changes for me:

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.nick.kanjirecognizer&hl=en

    The second tool is Windows IME Pad. When you install the Japanese keyboard option in Windows it will add an extra icon called IME Pad. If you are unsure how to find it or use it just Google, since it’s slightly different per version of Windows. However, once you have it installed, know where it is, and how to use it it’s the most flexible kanji recognizer I’ve seen. You can really mess up the kanji, and it’ll usually have what you’re looking for in the possible matches. I try to use it less for that reason however. While I’m learning I want to be strict about my stroke orders. Still, in a pinch I’m glad it’s there.

    The last option is a real denshi jisho. I have friends, American and Japanese that don’t have Windows, or Android, and they just use their denshi jisho. I don’t have personal experience with one. I’ve seen them use them to great effect though. They don’t understand why I use my phone, but my phone is smaller than a denshi jisho, and I tend to always have my phone on me anyway. Also, denshi jishos are not cheap.

    I think that’s everything I can offer on kanji at the moment, but if you have questions let me know.

    #38781

    Ben Reilly
    Member

    @hey – It’s interesting, this process of going from knowing nothing to expertise, eh?

    Regarding looking up kanji, I also recommend using Tangorin. It’s a good dictionary, and it has a really handy search-by-radical tool (the “Multi-Radical Search” button on the top right of the page). When I encounter a new kanji in books, in texts from my friends, or what have you, I immediately pop this open. It’s especially great because you can put in radicals from multiple kanji and it’ll look for a matching word. And it’s pretty flexible: maybe you put in the wrong radical, one that looks really similar to the “true” one, but it still finds the right kanji. Unfortunately, it doesn’t work well on phones, but it’s definitely a good tool.

    It also goes well with TF, since we’re already learning kanji by radicals, so being able to extract them from a kanji is pretty easy. Plus, it doesn’t have the added overhead of learning stroke order.

    Edit: I should note that Tangorin’s “radicals” are like TF’s. That is, although each kanji has a single, official “radical” which you would use to look up a kanji in a paper dictionary, Tangorin searches for kanji based on all of the radicals in the kanji. So if you wanted to look up  音楽, you could search with, say, 日, 立, and 白. It’ll be the first result, even though the official radicals for these kanji are, respectively, 音 and 木.

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