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September 29, 2012 at 10:45 am #35802
Ah, yeah. That’s what I was thinking about music, since I noticed a lot of times they’ll pronounce things technically ‘incorrect’ many times to keep to the melody. (Like pronouncing the “su” fully in “desu”.)
Anyway, thanks for the advice! I’ll look into watching some dramas with Japanese subs. Hopefully that’ll help me some with listening and maybe I can pick stuff up. (:
October 2, 2012 at 4:23 pm #35879Finally got season 3 finished up! I’ve jumped ahead of that level of material in Genki grammar-wise and in WaniKani vocab/kanji-wise so my TextFugu motivation dropped pretty significantly. I really think, though, that going over things in TextFugu solidifies it all much better than any other resource I’ve tried so far, so it’s important to keep advancing here.
October 2, 2012 at 6:34 pm #35882
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October 2, 2012 at 7:31 pm #35886@Miki – I’ve listened to podcasts for awhile, and didn’t notice an improvement, but found myself demoralized by them, so I’m giving them a break. I do plan to give them another shot soon. I suspect until I can really understand more than random phrases and words in the podcasts I’ll cycle them in and out of my listening. Perhaps I’m giving up too early on them, so I’d love to hear if someone has a different experience. I do honestly understand how you feel. It really does feel like I should be able to do more based on the time I’ve put into this. At the same time I do see improvement over time.
October 2, 2012 at 7:58 pm #35888Starting “Season 5″ today. Season 4 was challenging. I don’t believe in taking notes, so I just repeated “Season 4″ about 3 times.
October 2, 2012 at 11:02 pm #35890I’ve just finished Season 5. Starting Season 6 today. Season 5 was tough. Casual verbs are a pain with all the different conjugations and exceptions. I still feel I don’t fully understand them but I’ll just look over my notes. When you get to 6 stroke kanji, you learn 15 at a time now.
October 3, 2012 at 5:30 am #35893Season 5 was really tough for me too. Six and seven were a breeze though.
As for the kanji, I learnt all the radicals early, then set up my kanji deck from the downloads page. Pretty much skip the kanji pages now.
October 3, 2012 at 5:36 am #35895Hearing everyone say these seasons are challenging does help me feel better about them. I don’t know if I thought of them that way, but I do know that I felt like I wasn’t ready to learn a new grammar concept before a new one was introduced. I think in that way they are challenging for me. I really feel like there should be more practice and review in the later seasons to help cement the rules.
Also, I’m finding Textfugu is really strong at introducing new ideas, but it isn’t a great place to go back to when you want to reference those ideas. I would love to see some kind of a review version of each chapter which is written in a way that is better for reference than learning.
October 18, 2012 at 7:50 pm #36525Yeah it’s really bad for reviews (in terms of navigation and whatnot). It’s easy to just forget your grammar from just a couple lessons ago unless you take some notes on it.
October 20, 2012 at 11:12 am #36579I’m just about to wrap up season 2! After finishing the numbers and learning how to ask how much something is, the first thing that sprung to mind was, “Yes, I can go shopping in Japan now!” Must be a victim of consumerism.. :)
I try to do as much as I can, but sadly uni takes up a lot of time if I want to do well (so far, so good. Fingers crossed). So I hope I won’t drop Japanese again because of that, but will just get better at time management!
October 20, 2012 at 11:43 am #36580shiromangetsu: The best thing is to study with Anki every day. Myself, I was pretty quick about finishing the first four seasons, but have been really busy and only manage 1-2 lessons per week these days. However, I never forget to do my Anki reviews—they only take 20-40 minutes anyway. No matter how busy you are, you can afford to take half an hour each day to work on something that’s important to you.
October 20, 2012 at 11:51 am #36581I agree with Ben Reilly about the importance of keeping up on your Anki, and how easy it is to do. If you must you can get it on your smartphone. I prefer to wait till I’m in front of my PC though.
As for shopping in Japan. If you’re in a big city like Tokyo, then you can shop pretty easily with no Japanese. Actually, it’s a bit faster to shop without using Japanese. I would try to practice my Japanese as much as possible on the shop keepers, and as a result it slowed the transactions down. The vast majority of them were cool with it, and even seemed politely amused.
October 21, 2012 at 6:12 am #36603Oh yes, I’m keeping up with Anki now, although I didn’t for about 10 weeks and them came back to having to review almost all of them. I still knew about 90% of what I learned, so I wasn’t too bothered by that. That taught me to keep up with it, though! I prefer Anki on my PC to my smartphone, too.
I wasn’t entirely serious about being able to shop in Japan now :P Unless maybe I find myself in a small town where the shop owner speaks no English. It’s probably the same in almost every country – you could easily go by in Germany (holidays) without speaking any German, at least in the cities. But everyone is made to learn English there at school, so the number of people who can’t speak English should decline..
Anyways, I need some holidays. :)
October 22, 2012 at 10:29 am #36633I hear that on the holidays.
I wasn’t meaning to imply everyone speaks English. Although, a surprising amount of people are passable in the cities. However, even if the clerk doesn’t speak any English, and you don’t speak any Japanese a lot of communication, especially in retail transactions, is routine, and body language. Very rarely do you need to ask questions, and very rarely do they need to tell you anything other than the price, and even if you speak Japanese, if you’re white, they’ll just point at the display to indicate price.
Also, expect to hear “thank you desu.” I love that. ;)
I found most clerks are pleasantly amused at my speaking Japanese to them during the transactions. A very rare few might just wish to hurry along with the transaction, but a quick apology seems to work on every Japanese person I’ve ever interacted with. I don’t intend to foster stereotypes, but they sure are polite. :)
October 22, 2012 at 1:22 pm #36659Oh no, don’t worry. I didn’t think you were implying that! I need to type more clearly I think :P I was merely giving an example there.
Yeah, apparently Japanese isn’t a language of many words when it comes to verbal interactions. Which means I need to get better in reading body language. :) But I think it’s interesting how the language is build up and differs so much from English and other languages. In comparison, learning Spanish was very easy, but I only had half the motivation to do so and can now barely speak the basics. :P
Before I get too off topic: still almost done with season 2, but coursework is getting in my way. I’ll probably finish it this weekend. :)
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