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December 16, 2011 at 11:50 am #22596
I am at the point where I am to begin studying Kanji. I just read the RTK intro and Heisig is all, “My way or the highway.” As if I’d be damaged for life if I attempted to learn Kanji with any method other than his. He seems rather in love with himself. ;p
So should I continue with TextFugu/Koichi or try RTK first to begin learning Kanji?
December 16, 2011 at 12:18 pm #22601Try RTK first. If you don’t like it, you can always switch back to TextFugu. If you do like it, you’ll end up learning 2000+ kanji, which is not a bad thing at all :))
As far as the method goes, TF and RTK are pretty much the same, they break kanji apart into radicals (TF) or primitives (RTK) and invent stories to “glue” them back together. So, you won’t be damaged if you try TF first XD
December 16, 2011 at 12:22 pm #22602You should try RTK first, not that I think it’s better than Textfugu, but there is just not enough kanjis in textfugu yet to properly learn them. An other way to do it (in my opinion and it is what I’m doing) is learning it via vocabs/sentences.
Each methods have their strong and weak points, you need to find what work best for you. But Textfugu isn’t an option (yet)
December 16, 2011 at 1:08 pm #22603I did all kanji and all kanji voacb currently available here on TextFugu, and it is a great way to learn since you actually learn most of the vocab associated with the kanji, so you can actually say you know the kanji as opposed to only knowing the English meaning from RTK.
I am not 500 kanji in to RTK, and I like that method as well ^^ But yeah as the others said whatever works for you – there are so many methods and the best to do is to find the one which suits you.December 16, 2011 at 1:50 pm #22606Well Textfugu’s kanji isn’t likely to be finished for another 2+ years.
Which doesn’t mean you have to use RTK if that doesn’t work for you, there are other methods. But Textfugu seems to get new kanji too slowly to be practical until it’s been completed.
December 17, 2011 at 4:21 am #22611I don’t really like either, I tried a sample of Remembering the Kanji and didn’t think all that much of it. I prefer Read the Kanji because it’s also excellent for learning vocab and seeing how each kanji is used.
It is annoying they share the same acronym, haha.
December 17, 2011 at 7:09 am #22614Try, try, try.
December 17, 2011 at 12:55 pm #22617Yeah you should probably try both. I still dont know what you accomplish when you do RTK so, I dont know if you will be become super saiyan or something if you complete it like some people here. yeah.
December 17, 2011 at 6:51 pm #22627I became Super Saiyan Level 5, so yeah, I’d recommend it.
December 18, 2011 at 4:36 pm #22688What about learning the pronunciations for the Kanji? I’ve read in other topics on this forum that not a lot of people like the second book in the series; So how do you (specifically MisterM, since you’ve finished the first book) get to know the reading of the Kanji?
Sorry for kind of hi-jacking the thread. >.>
- This reply was modified 13 years ago by Dormoxx. Reason: Grammar
December 18, 2011 at 5:02 pm #22691@Dormoxx: At first, before I did RTK, I did TextFugu’s method – at that point, I think he was just starting 4-stroke (yup, a whole year to get from 4-stroke to 7-stroke haha), so I got a few useful readings under my belt. After I finished RTK, I tried going back to the newly created 4-stroke pages, but they just didn’t do it for me, so I didn’t bother doing any more. I was finding I was “picking up” a lot of readings just from learning vocab, so that’s my method now. I don’t go out of my way to specifically *learn* them, I just happen to notice patterns and it occasionally helps to remember new words with the same kanji :)
For example, I learned the words 自転車「じてんしゃ」、自動車「じどうしゃ」、自信「じしん」 and 自由「じゆう」, and from that I remembered one of the readings for 自 (which would be じ). Add on to that the word 電車(でんしゃ), and you should now remember one of 車’s readings (which would be しゃ), as it’s featured in two of the previous words. Learn the words 電話(でんわ) and 電気(でんき), and combined the previous word, you’ve now remembered one of the readings of 電 (which would be でん). I could actually continue this reading trail for at least another few readings, but you get the picture! :D These are all fairly common words I’ve used, so you can see that even from the outset of your vocab-learning journey, you pick up readings fast :)
(To continue the trail, just for funsies: 電話 -> 話題 -> 問題 -> 例題 -> 例文 -> 文化 -> ?)
(There’s another trail leading from 電気, but I can’t think of as many links for that one :D)In a nutshell: learn readings by learning vocab.
December 18, 2011 at 5:16 pm #22696@Mister: Wow, that actually makes a ton of sense! (Sorry if that seems offensive, I totally didn’t intend for it to be.. I just never thought of learning readings like that,haha) However, that response does bring another question up, though. Where do you find the vocab to study? Sorry for that poorly phrased question, but I mean, do you go through books, newspapers, manga, video games and such to find words to study?
I know my complete and utter noobiness is showing through, but thanks in advance!:D
- This reply was modified 13 years ago by Dormoxx.
December 18, 2011 at 6:18 pm #22699@Dormoxx – I agree with Mister completely. Do RTK, get the readings naturally from vocab. Where you get the vocab is up to you. If you already have a bit of a foundation you may want to jump into native materials. If not, try the ultimate lists on this site or the Core (kore/2000/6000/whatever) shared decks on anki. Personally I use the site Reading the Kanji that Yggbert mentioned above. The downsides are that it costs money (10 USD a year I think) and that the SRS algorithm seems inferior to anki (also the site is a little slow). The positives are that it presents the vocab in an order that is a mix between frequency of use and groupings of words that use the same kanji so you get familiar with them faster. It also presents the vocab in sentences which give you context and examples of usage. And there are lots of pretty colors. You can try out the JLPT N5 list for free.
December 19, 2011 at 8:12 am #22717@Dormoxx: TextFugu’s Ultimate Vocab Anki decks are where I started (well, I started with TextFugu vocab *before* he made those decks, but they were where I started learning a decent amount). After that, I moved on to Core 2000/6000 – there’s some overlap with Koichi’s decks, but it’s nothing to worry about. That’ll take me quite some time to get through, so no idea what I’ll do after that; probably just read lots of native materials I guess :D
Oh oh oh, I just remembered the word that I was going to put where that ? is :D 「文章」
December 20, 2011 at 9:41 am #22746Thanks for your replies. Much to think about there is. :)
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