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I’m just getting to my first kanji radicals on textfugu, although I’ve been playing around over at wanikani as well. Has anyone tried doing both at once? What are you experiences?
As wanikani has the newer lessons, is there mnemonics or ideas in there that might clash with textfugu’s?
Would it simply be taking on too much to do both at once? I certainly don’t want to get bogged down as school starts back up.
Any insight is greatly appreciated!
I’ve never looked at WaniKani, but from what I’ve heard, you don’t need to bother with the TextFugu kanji at all.
Are you saying that Wanikani users learn their kanji exclusively from WK?
Not the foggiest. Wouldn’t be surprised if people used some other source as well, though.
You aren’t being very clear at all.
“from what I’ve heard, you don’t need to bother with the TextFugu kanji at all.”
First, who did you hear this from?
Next, why don’t we need to bother with Textfugu kanji? Becuase Wanikani is better, or because something else out there is better, or because Textfugu kanji is bad, or why?Thanks for the input Joel.
If that’s the case, I’d guess it’s because both systems are designed by the same source, with wanikani as the more thorough and most recently-updated project from that source. Like the PS2 vs PS3. Sound about right?
Thanks for the input Joel.
If that’s the case, I’d guess it’s because both systems are designed by the same source, with wanikani as the more thorough and most recently-updated project from that source. Like the PS2 vs PS3. Sound about right?
this is about right.
they have some differences from each other (like, with radicals) so it’s easier to stick with only ONE of them. And WK is the better option (if you’re willing to spend the money) and it’s better in a few ways:
the srs system makes learning fun and convenient
more accurate/more content/more actively improved upon and updated.
it’s also better organized and the order that kanji are taught is better too because it doesn’t go in order of number of strokes, but instead it builds off the radicals.personally i stopped using TF kanji once i started WK (actually, maybe even before then.. hehe lazy..)
=^..^=I am at season 4 in TextFugu and level 2 in WaniKani (very soon 3!), and so far I have been using both. I started with TextFugu, then caught up with WaniKani a few weeks in. For me, it works pretty well. The mnemonics etc. are very similar, but it is so much more fun to review in WaniKani than Anki.
I suggest trying both at the same time and see if you like it or not. In my opinion, in can’t hurt to look at the same things multiple times :)
it’s also better organized and the order that kanji are taught is better too because it doesn’t go in order of number of strokes, but instead it builds off the radicals.
So like Heisig’s style of ordering? For the longest time, Koichi championed the “fewest strokes to most strokes” ordering; I guess he’s realised that way wasn’t actually that good after all.
You aren’t being very clear at all.
“from what I’ve heard, you don’t need to bother with the TextFugu kanji at all.”
First, who did you hear this from?<br>
Next, why don’t we need to bother with Textfugu kanji? Becuase Wanikani is better, or because something else out there is better, or because Textfugu kanji is bad, or why?Because WaniKani is in essence “TextFugu kanji section 2.0″: instead of overhauling that part of this site when he realised it wasn’t that great, he made a spin-off service. From what I’ve heard, WaniKani is pretty good, so I’m assuming it’s better than what you have here on TF. I’m really surprised he hasn’t just done away with it and given us all free access to WK… or at least done away with it, reduced the price of TF and given us a decent discount to balance it out.
As for “who did you hear this from?”, I’m assuming he’s gleaned it from just general discussion around the site, no one source in particular.
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it’s also better organized and the order that kanji are taught is better too because it doesn’t go in order of number of strokes, but instead it builds off the radicals.So like Heisig’s style of ordering? For the longest time, Koichi championed the “fewest strokes to most strokes” ordering; I guess he’s realised that way wasn’t actually that good after all.
Hmm, well it still is smaller stroke amounts to bigger in a way. (ive never used heisig so i cant compare) First its small radicals, then it’s kanji that use those (which arent very big yet) but it’s also more common kanji first, even if a kanji is only a couple strokes, we won’t learn it til later if it isn’t important or common enough. So it’s a mix of “less strokes first” + “more common first” + “learning kanji that use a certain radical shortly after learning said radical” if that makes sense… :p
=^..^=Great feedback guys. I’m glad to find this is a fairly active community. ^^
Considering all of your points, I think I’ll definitely stick to WK for kanji. I’m actually already having a hard enough time keeping its mnemonics straight without mixing TF in. Mainly because the same visual is for several mnemonics, ie a car. So for a radical pronounced “ka” it may be a “car” you have to remember, while with “nu” you have to remember a separate mnemonic with a “new car” which becomes very confusing in recall. It would be better if all of the mnemonics used unique nouns… but that’s a discussion I’ll save for the WK forums.
For the longest time, Koichi championed the “fewest strokes to most strokes” ordering; I guess he’s realised that way wasn’t actually that good after all.
To be fair, his argument made sense on paper. In practice, though, since you can’t really make any basic sentences until you hit at least the seven-stroke kanji, it makes progress a little tricky. You can’t even count to ten without first learning the five-stroke kanji…
It would be better if all of the mnemonics used unique nouns…
I kinda disagree, but the thing is, the best mnemonics for things are always going to be the ones you make yourself – they have meaning to you, and that’s what matters. The way everyone thinks is different. Sure, Koichi’s mnemonics can help, but feel free at any time to just forget about his and invent your own.
@Joel: I think it wouldn’t be *too* bad a method if you were only learning how to write them (a la Heisig) since you could cover a lot of the fewer stroke kanji a lot more quickly. It’s adding in the readings which is the problem, making progress a lot slower. Even then, it’s probably not the best way of doing things.
@zeldaskitten: Yeah, that seems pretty much how Heisig has them ordered in RTK (although not the exact same ordering, I’m guessing): he introduces a radical, then all the kanji that contain both that radical and previous radicals, generally from least to most complex (whether that necessarily implies least *strokes* to most, I’m not sure). He actually calls them “primitives” because there are extras not found in the official list of radicals, and because I think he gives some of them different names than their official counterpart. Really, I think the RTK/WK method of introducing kanji is the most logical because it involves thinking of kanji in terms of radicals than in terms of strokes, which is by far easier.
@Joel: I think it wouldn’t be *too* bad a method if you were only learning how to write them (a la Heisig) since you could cover a lot of the fewer stroke kanji a lot more quickly.
Yeah, but… since Koichi regularly says not to bother learning how to write them, doesn’t that make Koichi’s method the exact opposite of what he was trying for? =P
Really, I think the RTK/WK method of introducing kanji is the most logical because it involves thinking of kanji in terms of radicals than in terms of strokes, which is by far easier.
Koichi was trying to do that, but somewhere along the line, he got sidetracked…
I kinda disagree, but the thing is, the best mnemonics for things are always going to be the ones you make yourself – they have meaning to you, and that’s what matters. The way everyone thinks is different. Sure, Koichi’s mnemonics can help, but feel free at any time to just forget about his and invent your own.
Restricting it to unique nouns was poor phrasing on my part, and I definitely agree about creating your own mnemonics. I only meant that avoiding any significant overlap between unrelated kanji/radicals would help the website’s intention as a cookie cutter, one size fits all service.
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