The "I found some Japanese I don't understand" thread.

[missingno15Member]

While I’m reading my book, 非選抜アイドル, I came across something that I have seen a bunch of times but never seemed to fully understand.

・その時の私の気持ちを表すのは、一言で難しい。そこには、さまざまな思いが交錯していた。一つには、もちろん嬉しい気持ち。それは、夢への道が開けたとの嬉しさもあれば、母に対する感謝の嬉しさもあった。

The part is the　「との」 part. I’m sure these are 2 particles together but what does it mean?

[Anonymous]

Dunno but I’d guess it’s “X…with (the coming of X)… Y”

Nomsaiyan

[ElenkisMember]

It’s like a more formal version of という. It just indicates the content of the following noun (a report, opinion, view etc – in this case 嬉しさ).

可愛いとの意見 – an opinion that (something/someone) is cute

‘A Dictionary of Advanced Japanese Grammar’ covers it, if you need more info.

• This reply was modified 12 years, 5 months ago by  Elenkis.

[Anonymous]

Elenkis:
It’s like a more formal version of という. It just indicates the content of the following noun (a report, opinion, view etc – in this case 嬉しさ).

可愛いとの意見 – an opinion that (something/someone) is cute

‘A Dictionary of Advanced Japanese Grammar’ covers it, if you need more info.

Bear my children, bro.

And no not sure if that’s the right “bear”.

[missingno15Member]

Goddamit, I avoided the Advanced Japanese Grammar for a while because my Japanese friends took a preview of it and said that it wasn’t very accurate. Also thanks a lot for your help.

Bbvoncrumb: Bear my children, bro.

And no not sure if that’s the right “bear”.

http://tinyurl.com/7fnh6h3

[ClementMember]

I got a correction on Lang-8 I don’t understand.

懐中電灯と双眼鏡だけ持っています.

What does「だけ持」 mean?

[missingno15Member]

Clement:
I got a correction on Lang-8 I don’t understand.

懐中電灯と双眼鏡だけ持っています.

What does「だけ持」 mean?

Let me break this down for you:

懐中電灯 | と | 双眼鏡 | だけ| 持っています.

[ClementMember]

D’oh! I see, now it all makes sense. Thanks!

[missingno15Member]

・その時の私の気持ちを表すのは、一言で難しい。そこには、さまざまな思いが交錯していた。一つには、もちろん嬉しい気持ち。それは、夢への道が開けたとの嬉しさもあれば、母に対する感謝の嬉しさもあった。

Someone please explain to me ～もあれば,～もある

EDIT: forget it i figured it out

• This reply was modified 12 years, 4 months ago by  missingno15.

[Anonymous]

It’s like

There is both A and B (AもBば) or If there is A there is also B (There’s a relation between them)

AKBもいればＭｉｓｓｉｎｇもいる。 Loool

Where ば is verb in conditional form

*Edit* In your example it could possibly be も～ば～も which is more like “Not only A, but B”

• This reply was modified 12 years, 4 months ago by  .

[vanandrewMember]

Ok, I’ve taken the plunge and started using Lang-8. Confusion has ensued.

Can anyone assist with the below?

 

*Straight away I’ve received differing corrections.

I put up: 昨日はフットボールを遊びました.

And got these two corrections:

- 昨日はフットボールで遊びました。
-昨日はフットボールをして遊びました。

Can anyone explain the difference between these corrections? (i.e. between the use of で & をして?)

And why was the original incorrect?

 

*I also put up: 私も魚を食べました

And got this correction: 私は魚も食べました.

I thought 私も was ok (pretty sure I’ve seen it before); it’s not ok?!

[クリスMember]

Beginners helping beginners, chaos imminent.

私も魚を食べました <— Someone else ate fish, and now you too,  also ate fish.                Me also         fish ate

私は魚も食べました.<— You ate something else, and now you ate fish also.                      Me       fish also ate

 

I’m a little fuzzy on the explanation of your first question, so I won’t confuse you further. :)

 

 

 

[missingno15Member]

I shall bestow upon a hint.

You don’t “play swim”. You do it.

[Anonymous]

One does not simply “Play” a swim.

[JoelMember]

Not sure why we’re hinting here, because in English, you do play football. It’s not the same in Japanese, though – the verb 遊ぶ basically just refers to generally playing and having fun, like playtime. “To enjoy oneself” is an alternte translation. You don’t フットボールを遊ぶ or ゲームを遊ぶ – in such cases, the verb is just する.

- 昨日はフットボールで遊びました。<– I enjoyed myself, by means of football
-昨日はフットボールをして遊びました。<– I played football, and enjoyed myself
As for your second question, I concur with Chris’ answer.

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