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    Koala_chan
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    my understanding is that in general type 2 verbs have a stem which ends with a sound ” E” and dictionary form ending is “ru”.

    while practicing past and past negative form I came across the verb “あきます/あきる”. my first idea was that is was a type 1 verb with “ru ” ending, the logic behind this being that the stem sound is “I” and not “E”. but  actually it is a type 2 verb.

     

    can someone let me know if there are many of these exceptions or only a few ?  and if there is only a few it would be nice if I could get a list of them.

    thanks for your feedback on this.

    Cheers

    #37060

    Joel
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    The way to define group-2 verbs is the dictionary form ends in る. That’s always true, with no exceptions. You can’t say anything about the stem ending of group-2 verbs, because many also end with ~いる.

    The trick comes in that the reverse is not always true – not every verb that ends in る is group-2. Some of them are group-1. Fortunately, there’s not an excessive number of exceptions. Basically the trick is to learn them. Sounding them out often helps too – often if you try to make a ます-form out of a group-1 verb using the group-2 rule, the resulting word will sound kinda silly. For example, はじまる –> はじまます sounds silly, so you can probably conclude it’s group-1. Which it is.

    Here is one list of exceptions I found with only a bit of googling.

     

    There’s also the rule “all group-1 verbs have ます-stems ending in い” which has no exceptions, but again, the reverse is not always true – as mentioned above, not all verbs with ます-stem ending in い are group-1.

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    Koala_chan
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    many thanks for your feedback Joel !

    much appreciated

     

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