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  • #45664

    Rhys
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    Ok so I just printed out my ‘Past Negative Dictionary Form’ practice sheet.

    When i search しごとする or アタックする into Japanese dictionary [http://jisho.org/] i get no results, but obviously the two verbs mean ‘to work’ and ‘to attack’, right? the する ender is confusing me. Same with けんかする. I’m guessing that one means to fight because searching just けんか leads to that conclusion. And is ちゅうもんする to order?

    When i search やる in the dictionary from the verb practice list i get so many different answers that i dont know which one i should list it as. How the hell could it have ‘To Kill’ and ‘To have sexual intercourse’ as two possible meanings for the same word!? Thats hilarious and annoying.

    Also, how do you type the ‘dzu’ hiragana in japanese with a normal keyboard. I’ve got the google add on thing and its the only kana i cant figure out how to type.

    Cheers.
    Rhys.

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    #45666

    クレイグ
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    Not 100% sure but i think はたらく (働く) is to work, しごとする would be more like to do a job ? You’ll get used to する verbs, its basically just a noun made into a verb by saying “to do XX”

    Certain verbs overlap in meaning ( looking at you いる ) the definition comes from context and kanji if youre reading them.

    Also, how do you type the ‘dzu’ hiragana in japanese with a normal keyboard.

    just type du

    #45667

    Joel
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    Yeah, する forms an enormous number of compound verbs by gluing itself onto the back of nouns. You’re not going to find the whole assemblage in the dictionary, though, but if you look up, say, しごと, you’ll notice in the list of parts-of-speech, there’ll be a note like “Noun, Suru verb”.

    The main use you’re going to see for やる is that it’s a very casual way of saying する. I have a feeling most of the other meanings of the word are extensions of that (in the same way as, for example, “to do someone in” in English means to kill them).

    P.S. Also, ぢ is “di”.

    #45670

    クレイグ
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    Does ぢ ever get used ? Every time ive seen the potential for it it’s just been replaced by じ

    #45671

    Joel
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    It happens, but it seems to be pretty rare. I don’t think I’ve ever seen it in the wild, in any case.

    Here’s the common words containing ぢ on Denshi Jisho: http://jisho.org/words?jap=*%E3%81%A2*&eng=&dict=edict&common=on

    #45672

    Rhys
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    Thanks for the replies!

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    #45673

    Rhys
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    How come the casual verb おもう has the う changed into a わ when its turned into negative tense, おもわない? Is it simply the rule? ‘u’ to ‘wa’ ?

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    #45680

    クレイグ
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    verbs that end in a singular う all have that わ added during conjugation to negative, i read somewhere that they all have an invisible W hence the small っ when converting to て form or past conjugation, though im pretty terrible at verb conjugation so this all might be lies, but yeah seems to just be a rule you’ll need to remember.

    #45686

    Joel
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    Just to confirm: yes, う changes to わ when forming negatives. 買う -> 買わない, 構う -> 構わない, 違う -> 違わない, et cetera. I’d assume there’s some etymological reason for that, but I don’t know what it is.

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