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  • #34012

    TangSooPap
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    I haven’t dropped in for a while because I’m still plowing through all the verbs in season 3 plus I’ve been doing WaniKani. Some neat changes! Anyway I’m trying to make mnemonics for the season 3 verbs to help me memorize them.

    Some just stick whenever I see them for no reason like ききます   ^_^.

    Some are easy to make up sentences for like  しにます… ‘She kneed me so hard I thot I’d die.’

    or

    もちます  ‘I can hold mo’ cheese doodles than you.’

    But others defy any attempt by me at a mnemonic like けっこんします … to marry.  Any suggestions? I’m not having any luck force feeding my brain that one. O_o   I can recognize it but I’d never be able to recall it.

    #34013

    Aikibujin
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    I’ll take a stab at this one. ^_^

    So we have Kekkonshimasu -  to marry

    Split it in two and we have:

    Kekkon Shimasu

    So when we got married she got “cake on” (kekkon) me, so I decided “she must” (shimasu) die.

    LOL

    Or if you want to be a bit more romantic and less psychotic, change it to:

    When we got married she got “cake on” (kekkon) me, so I decided “she must” (shimasu) be the one. ^_^

    -Cheers

    #34014

    Carlos
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    The way I remembered けっこんします was kind of cheating xD.
    Since it was the only verb so far that sounded like that.. and had a “っ” part the way it goes in your tongue is different (not sure if its the same for you guys) …  I mainly  just tried to remember the “Kekkon” part and that feeling I got when mentioning the word (specifically that part).

    So you can take that into account when you use  Aikibujin’s memonic o.o.

    #34015

    Really with words ending in します alot of the times the ending is added to make it a verb.  毛っこん is actually a word in and of itself so it may just help to know kekkon and no that non verbs can be made verbs with する

    #34016

    missingno15
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    結婚

    Simply learn it straight up or else you are lacking = mneumonic of life

    #34017

    Really the verb is します, to do, and is added to marraige, けっこん, to make to do marraige or to get married けっこんする. Other example include to study べんきょうします, and others that because i need them i have forgotten.  Its similar to things like to play tenis (テニスをします)  where it translates something like to do tenis.

    #34022

    Aikibujin
    Member

    Though that is true, if he doesn’t have much experience, and Season 3 is as far as he’s gotten, that may make it even more difficult to remember.  I’m not sure if Koichi points this out or not, as I haven’t got to Season 3 and so don’t know how he presents verbs.

    #34023

    TangSooPap
    Member

    Thanks for all the tips. I knew someone would come up with something! ^_^  Just knowing けっこん means marriage helps out a lot and the ‘cake on’ will do it. I won’t forget that!

    You guys are the best!

    #34024

    Aikibujin
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    No worries. ^_^

    The ones I have problems with the most mnemonically, are ones that begin with つ

    Such as つく / つきます- to arrive

    If I think of a word that sounds like it starts with つ, it’s easy to confuse it with す.

     

     

    #34027

    kanjiman8
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    I agree with missing. Mnemonics help out  in the beginning, but you need to be able to recognize and recall any word so it becomes second nature.

    #34029

    I agree as well. Mneumonics are a great starting point, more so for kanji, but if all your learning is done that way you will be spending to much time trying to remember the mneumonic rather than the required thing itself.  I personally leave the mneumonics for kanji and try to get it to second nature as soon as possible.

    #34031

    missingno15
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    I was 冗談半分

    #34032

    Aikibujin
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    True, but as said, he’s only on Season 3, and you have to start somewhere.

    Your mind has to have a hook to hang information on in order to retain it, which is exactly why Koichi stuctured TF the way he has, and why I chose this particular learning tool. It’s the same way I teach English to foreigners.

    Mnemonics aren’t the only hooks that can be used, but they are an easy one to consciously create, and thus help solidify the structure that language is built on. Those hooks become the foundation that you start with and makes sure that it is solid and strong.

    Once the foundation is in place and sturdy, you can then build from there. Then it’s simply a matter of using the language on a regular basis which fuses the foundation with the whole structure, making it solid. At that point, the hooks are left behind, as they are no longer needed.

    If you have to actually think about the mnemonic, then it’s a terrible mnemonic. The entire point of it is to be a trigger that automatically bridges the gap from formless data to something that the brain can recognize and thus recall easily, making it become second nature, as the brain is no longer conscious of the mnemonic. Otherwise you are left with sheer repetition, which as Koichi points out in TF, is not a very efficient means of starting to learn a language.

    Once a language has been synthesized to the point of basic usage, repetition becomes a lot more efficient, as it is performed by repeated exposure to the language as a whole in its written or spoken form, as opposed to flashcards and rote responses to static prompts. At which point mnemonics for the most part falls to the wayside. Even then, most of my students would still occasionally use them for words that were uncommonly used, as they lacked the exposure to retain them sufficiently.

    People who have minds that process language data more efficiently will naturally need less in the way of mnemonics, while some will have to use it extensively, as their minds simply won’t store the data otherwise. I am among the later as my mind tends to excel more in the creative department, rather than storing static data.

    So of course it is better to try to get words to become second nature as soon as possible, as that is the very definition of fluency, mnemonics is simply a way of allowing that to happen, and for some, at a much quicker rate than might otherwise be achieved.

    #34033

    missingno15
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    so yeah, i was 冗談半分

    マジレスありがとうございます。

    If you have to actually think about the mnemonic, then it’s a terrible mnemonic. The entire point of it is to be a trigger that automatically bridges the gap from formless data to something that the brain can recognize and thus recall easily, making it become second nature, as the brain is no longer conscious of the mnemonic.

    WHICH MEANS AIDOLS ARE THE BEST MNEUMONIC EVER.
    イぇ~イ

    #34055

    Neil
    Member

    I’m currently at this point too and the thing I’ve been doing is saying the word in my when I do it, granted there are a few that you don’t do on a regular basis if at all but I’m finding that it’s helping me.

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