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I was looking through the で lesson in season 6, which has this sentence:
今日 は あめ だった ので くるま で行った。
Because of today’s rain, I went via car.
Why is that の in there? (the other examples didn’t have such a pairing).
Anonymousので is a grammar structure, it means AのでB: Because A, B.
Because it rained, we took the car.
Cool, thanks. This is a different meaning from just using で ?
ので indicates a stronger causal relationship than just で on its own.
Also, since it’s past tense, you can’t use で in that sentence. Don’t ask me why Koichi’s still using it as an example of で. My grammar dictionary adds that で can only be used with nouns, while ので are only used with sentences.
Thanks Joel, good help.
“…で can only be used with nouns, while ので are only used with sentences.” – not exactly sure what this means; ので is meant to be attached to something other than nouns – is that what it’s getting at?
I think it means ので is only used to connect 2 sentences, in your case these are: 今日 は あめ だった and くるま で行った
while で alone is used in one sentence
The の in that sentence nominalizes (turns it into a noun) the phrase before it, then the で acts as it does in the other examples on that page.
今日 は 雨 だった (It rained today.)
今日 は 雨 だった の (The fact that it rained today)
今日 は 雨 だった の で (Due to the fact that it rained today)The で in this type of sentence is actually the ～て form of the common です verb and often times the “second half” of the sentence is not needed because it has already been stated or is obvious. In these cases です is not converted to the ～て form since the sentence is not continuing. Also, in these situations, の is often contracted to ん.
A: どうして 車 で 行きました か。
B: 雨 だった の/ん です。@thisisKyle – that’s brilliant, thanks.
(you know, even with your hand obscuring thins, you look like David Thorne in your photo.)
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