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    Multany
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    Hello everyone

    SO, It’s been quite a while since I’ve been around Text/Tofugu, and I thought I’d share my thoughts and opinions on my past year (or 2 semesters/ 9 months… give or take, really) of “university” level basic Japanese classes.

    —————–SPOILER: this is just one big rant————————

    To start with, I will say right now that I feel taking Japanese courses in a class setting has been a waste of time and money.

    Granted, I have to take these classes as a mandatory language for my Major, and  in retrospect, maybe my professor wasn’t as well fitted for the task as others might be.

    Basically, we were working out of the なかま textbook for both semesters (101/102). For those unfamiliar with this book, it has a weird way of introducing information, and various conjugation is spread awkwardly throughout the text, making it hard to refer back to the information – or even having trouble finding where they’ve placed it in the book.

    Anyways, that aside, I felt the pacing was far too slow, and the homework and exercises too tedious and way too often. I was hardly ever able to sit down and focus on anything  outside of the course material due to being assigned almost 15-20 pages of homework per class and then the rest of my free time being spent studying words and nouns/verbs that didn’t seem terribly relevant (as far as the apparent usefulness of them at the time)

     

    The second issue with this class was the professor. I had the same lady for both 101/102 semesters, and I feel like she really wasn’t on the ball. Think of how Peggy Hill teaches Spanish on King of the Hill, and then just bump up her knowledge a little bit for realism-sake. She was definitely competent, and obviously knew more than her students, but (and I don’t want to be too nitpick-y, beause Japanese teachers in Arizona aren’t exactly plentiful) she was an American lady who has never spent more than a few months in Japan at a time. Her pronunciation sounded pretty off (though I’m no authority), and she needed to take a break in the middle of class to look up teaching material  – more times than I can remember.

    Ah, also, we only met two days a week, for about 2.5 hours each day, so it wasn’t enough to feel like I was getting the class time in that I felt might be more appropriate – and that’s where the 15-20+ pages of homework each class came from. Normally, I would agree that the more homework – the better, but it was so much that by the time I was done churning out 10+ pages of tedious homework, and then studying a 50 word vocabulary list for a test the next week, I had hardly enough energy or spare time to study anything else.

    I received an A+ in both classes, which I do believe I’ve earned, but when there’s no free time to let all of the information of each chapter set in, the worst possible thing happens:

    The inability to successfully retain information.

    Each chapter was treated the way you would treat any other textbook in any other class.

    Learn information > study > regurgitate information for an A on a test > forget information > repeat.

    Chapter after chapter.

    Where hardly any chapter incorporates the information or vocabulary from the ones before it, leaving you to only have to worry about the current chapter at hand.

    Oh yes, I should note that while the option of making friends and having Japanese study partners was thoroughly explored, It turns out that most of the other students  in the class were either just scraping by, or were unavailable to study with enough frequency, so that was a dead-end option soon enough.
    Which brings me to today.  I have my first class of JPN 201 in about 2 weeks and much of the basic information, like adjective conjugation, plain forms/plain speech/plain conjugation , and  て forms have gotten embarrassingly rusty, and when I decided to start recapping all of this information I knew well enough at one time, the textbook was almost NO help. The book is almost set up to make it impossible (for me, at least) to gather up the things I need to know, and find a way to convert it into digestible information, meaning the different forms of conjugation are only hinted at in some chapter/lesson titles.

    My one shining ray of hope came in the form of my first Japanese learning love: Textfugu.

    I can’t stress enough how happy I was to come back and get a good refresher course on all of the parts I had trouble finding in that stuffy textbook.

    So anyways, hopefully the worst is over. I have a native Japanese man for a professor next semester, and as nervous as that makes me, because we’re supposed to have a pretty good hold on the basics of the language (and thankfully, because of Textfugu, I will be all refreshed when that day comes), I think it can only get better………… to a degree.

    In conclusion: I had a lot of concerns about what college courses were going to be like, and unfortunately – all of my greatest fears were more or less confirmed. I know that my experience is most likely uncommon (as far as the quality of teaching goes), but now I know what to expect, I suppose.

    I would take learning from Koichi and Textfugu 9 times out of 10, if the other option was to learn in a university setting.

    Anyways, If anyone read all of this, and made it through a rant as poorly organized as the textbook I was complaining about, I’ll answer questions if anyone happens to have any.

    -Thanks

    • This topic was modified 12 years, 4 months ago by  Multany.
    #34327

    I didnt read it all, but from what I read you you didn’t  make it past the content textfugu has to offer in 9 months?

     

    #34329

    Multany
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    Basically.

    I mean, the textbook used up entire chapters for things like how to shop, one on how to order at a restaurant,  one on describing your family,  and the seasons and weather.. and counters. While these are all things that you’d have to know eventually, I would say that all of the chapters besides the one on counters was filler stuff that could have been put off for later – or at least not essential to the “basics”. I’ve learned more about how to ask for 5 necklaces in a mall than counting numbers.

    But yes, the pacing was terrible.

    And the kanji in the textbook didn’t even come CLOSE to covering all the kanji that’s available on here – not even half.

     

    #34330

    Lol sounds like an easy a+

    #34331

    Multany
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    It was an easy enough A+, but now I gotta worry about this 201 professor bumping up the difficulty 10x or something – who knows. I feel like this last professor left us all woefully unprepared.

    #34333

    Aikibujin
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    Yeah, I wouldn’t take a college course in a language that wasn’t being taught by a native of that language, that’s just asking for trouble.

    My experience in it was much better. I took 3 semesters and it was very good all and all, though definitely lacking in the kanji department.

    I can’t really compare it with TF as I’m still on Season 2, so obviously I’d already covered what I’ve seen so far, minus the Kanji and the radicals study, but the experience for me was a lot more positive.

    #34334

    Multany
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    Yeah, I’m hoping this next semester is better. I was pretty wary about taking it, but, I didn’t have much say in the mater – much less which professor I had. The native Japanese professor only teaches 201 and up, so I’m still excited!

    Yeah it looks like textbooks really downplay the kanji… which I mean, maybe doesn’t seem as important at first, to these publishers.

     

    #34357

    Kelsey
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    Multany, do you go to ASU? I went to school there last year, and I have to agree, everyone i’ve known who’s taken a language class there has regretted it, except for one friend who’s a chinese major.

    #34385

    Multany
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    Nope, I go to Pima, in Tucson. I’m transferring to the U of A after next semester, so I really hope things pick up.

    #34395

    Joel
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    Studying Nakama at UNSW myself. I didn’t really feel that it suffers from pacing issues, but I do agree that it starts on kanji way too late, and does them in a weird order – namely, the first kanji you learn are the days of the week. It takes several chapters before they teach you something more basic like the numbers. Mind you, I also bought Japanese for Busy People for home study.

    They did warn us ahead of time that the second year would be a big step up in difficulty, and I’ve also been getting less home study done. Tsk. By about the mid-point of the second textbook, we’ve learnt two hundred and fifty kanji. Apparently, though, all of the grammar has been taught by the end of the second year, leaving just vocab and kanji after that.

    #34421

    Hashi
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    I think that second year is always a big step up, for some reason, because my Japanese classes were like that too. Who knows!

    And by the way, welcome to TextFugu Multany! Good luck with your studies :)

    #34436

    Multany
    Member

    Well, I’m actually not sure what book we’re supposed to be using next semester. My professor made it sound like using なかま was kind of an uncommon decision. Maybe the pacing was my professor’s fault. She did give us a lot of “extra” handouts to supplement the textbook, and the entire class paid for it with cram sessions in class that felt kind of rushed because we spent too much time on other things.. hm

    I kind of welcome a step up in difficulty, but obviously not too too much.. we’ll see.

    Oh, and Hashi, thanks for the warm welcome, but I’ve actually been on Textfugu for over a year!

    In fact, I was just surprised to see that I actually made a thread about how excited/anxious/nervous I was about starting formal classes

    http://www.textfugu.com/bb/topic/tomorrow-is-the-big-day/

    heh heh

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