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I’ve got a strong feeling this has been asked before, but I can’t remember the answer :P
How would you read 「２、３人」? Would it be 「に、さんにん」 or something more like 「ふた、さんにん」? Or perhaps 「ふたり、さんにん」? The last one seems most likely, but I’m still unsure.
Even if I wanted to post on Lang-8, I’ve got no idea what to say XD Maybe besides 猫はマットの上に座りました ;) (wait, is that right?)
@Yggbert: Hmmm… I guess Core might have been better to start with, but then it’s not like it takes the same amount of effort to cover the words from the Ultimate lists again. Whenever I come across “Ultimate” vocab while going through the new words in the Core list, I can usually just click “Easy” or “Very Easy”.
Also, I don’t use Lang-8 any more – I want to focus on learning vocab and being able to read (a little grammar too, obviously). Some people like writing though, and that’s cool.
@Yggbert: The more weird and wonderful the story, (sometimes) the easier it will be to remember! :D Plus, some kanji just don’t lend themselves to short and simple stories. From what I remember, the stories for “detach” (離) and “gloom” (鬱) were all ridiculously long, but thankfully I could remember them easily without one, just because they were such distinct characters haha.
I took at least a couple of weeks with hiragana, possibly more – at the beginning, I wasn’t that bothered/interested yet so I took it slow :P It was just something I was “trying out”, wanted to see what it was like.
@Yggbert: Can you not start from second year? You can do that over here for stuff like maths and sciences, I’m assuming languages too (provided you have the right experience/qualifications). Seems a shame to waste a year doing such basic stuff like kana :D
@missingno15: lolwut?
@Tom Jensen: Check out the Tofugu video “Shit Otaku Say” to see Koichi wearing several different wigs ;)
@Yggbert: You’ve been studying Japanese for quite a while now, haven’t you? I find it weird you didn’t know that before :S I don’t mean to be offensive or anything, I just assumed you would have covered that while you were learning katakana in the first place :D
@jkl: The “skill A” you describe isn’t even a skill. What you’re describing is the *process*, not the actual benefits you acquire from completing the course. It’s like telling a guitarist not to do finger exercises because “all that does is teach you how to exercise your fingers”. Or (more appropriately), it’s like saying that you shouldn’t use flash cards to learn vocab because “all that does is teach you how to use flash cards”. I know you’re just trying to make RTK look bad for whatever reason, but you could at least do it in a way that’s not so obvious ;)
@Yggbert: Why are you bitter? You’d still have to spend time learning kanji at *some* point; is it not better you just got it out of the way in one go?
@Noah: Once you’ve got the method down, go to kanji.koohii.com to get your mnemonic stories. Heisig’s can be a bit… terrible at times :P The kanji-learning community is much better at writing funnier, more interesting/memorable ones :D Still read the book though. Also, it’s not fair to say flat-out “this will be boring”: parts of it will be boring and parts will be awesome! :D The first time you recognise out in the wild some complex kanji you’ve learned, it’s like nothing else :D “HEY! I KNOW THAT ONE! :’D”. Then when you get to the end you’ll be like “HELL YEAH! >:D”. The start of the book is especially fun :P
@Tom: Just mentioning what you said in the other thread. When I did RTK, I just did it and nothing else until I was done. Yeah, it got tedious around times, but I finished it a lot faster than I would have had I studied grammar at the same time. I think when Heisig says it’s best not to use it in conjunction with classes, it means that the two different methods of learning kanji will clash. You’ll more than likely be studying kanji in the “regular” order in class, which is totally different to the “building-up” order the book uses. Something like that.
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MisterM2402 [Michael].
@Tom: Yeah, just the first book would suffice. The 3rd book has another 1000 or so kanji, but it’s really not necessary – any kanji I come across that weren’t in book one are learned pretty easily. Don’t even need to come up with new mnemonics or flash card them, I just remember the radicals and the word they’re in :)
@Hashi: So does WaniKani work in *conjuction* with TF’s kanji section, or is it an alternative, or…?
With RTK, I found it started off really interesting and fun, that I had plenty of motivation to plough through them. Then as it got around the middle, it started getting a little tedious and a bit of a slog, but I stuck with it anyway. Around the end, motivation spiked again as I was so close to finishing and achieving the goal :D The feeling when you’re done and kanji stops being big black blobs on the page/screen is just immense :)
For now, don’t bother doing English->Japanese – you don’t exactly know enough yet to have any kind of proper communication with other people (I don’t mean to be harsh, that’s just what being a beginner is :D), so there isn’t much use in being able to translate your thoughts to Japanese. You’ll be *inputting* a whole lot more information (books, websites, TV, etc.) than outputting (speaking, writing, etc.) for quite a while, so it’s more important to be able to recognise what a word means when you see it in Japanese than the other way round.
Even when you do get around to making your first steps towards communicating with the rest of the world, it still won’t be worth the extra effort. Do everything Japanese->English, then when the time is right, switch to Japanese->Japanese (I’m WAY WAY off that point yet haha).
@Tang: Don’t worry, you get used to unvoiced vowels pretty fast :) You’ll get to a point soon enough where you can just tell when something’s probably going to be unvoiced, before you hear it :D
To be fair, WaniKani has apparently been majorly Viet’s responsibility, so it shouldn’t have taken time away from TextFugu (is time even given to that in the first place? :P).
RTK is almost always Remembering the Kanji. You should look into it Tom. I learned 2000 in about 2 months of solid studying (only focussing on kanji, nothing else), then went super-slow and spent another month on the extra kanji that were in the new edition (about 200 new ones).
Tofugu did a small review of it a while back – http://www.tofugu.com/japanese-resources/kotoba/
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