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Yeah its down for me too, been down for some hours, maybe 10 or so, think I checked it this morning and had the error.
In Japanese there is a pitch accent, some syllables have high and low pitch, this can make the same syllable sound different.
Also in Japanese there is Elision ( omission of one or more sounds such as a vowel, a consonant, or a whole syllable in a word or phrase, producing a result that is easier for the speaker to pronounce.) for instance especially with syllables ending in u is common, but equally including the u and putting emphasis on it.
The らりるれろ りゃ りゅ りょ syllables have the sounds r, l and d, kinda mixed together and it seems that sometimes that a different amount of emphasis can be put on the different sounds.
You will probably find that the usage depends on the speaker, where they are from etc. Try to listen to a wide variety of speakers and see how they say those syllables.
Hello,
Good Luck!
And Have fun.
Mnemonics are a personal thing, maybe other peoples are good for you maybe they aren’t.
Maybe this one is stupid and annoying enough that it makes you remember the kanji, mnemonics don’t have to be true or correct, or good, or enjoyable, just memorable. In this case will you ever forget the kanji for genius? If not then the Mnemonic has done its job.
Don’t be cross its was a stroke of genius.
Know yourself.
Know who you are and what you really want.
When you know this you can work towards that and knowing you are becoming the person you want to be, and learning the things you want to learn, this will motivate you and drive you forward.
If you don’t know yourself then you will just try something for a while in some attempt to appease yourself but without understanding who you are or what you want you will find its not working and you quit.
Motivation to learn Japanese is to want to learn Japanese truly and deeply in your heart of hearts.
So know yourself know why you do something and what it will do for you, and how it will allow you to become and everything becomes a matter of just doing it.
Its quite common in English to use an antonym as a synonym with greater emphasis.
e.g.
wicked
sick,and everyone’s favourite, literal / figurative.
I’m literally on FIRE HERE!!!!1111oneoneleveneleventyone, figuratively speaking of course.
I tried to find a good linguistic article about this I read once, but it eludes me.
because English is a spoken language whether it starts as a deliberate mistake, or through people just not knowing, as long as it comes into common use it becomes part of the language.
Japanese tends to be quite subtle / oblique, you avoid coming right out and saying something so these kinds of phrases can be quite common, so you need to read between the lines to understand what is meant.
Oh this wiki page is pretty fun to read.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_speechthose crazy linguisticals
He probably gets paid more and gets more sex out of it.
I’m bigging you All up for free even you b-b von crumb can be a useful member of society.
DOES BB STAND FOR BROKEN BISCUIT?
Do you know Dave Liquorice?
@gigatron
One thing to consider is the saying “shame on the road can be written off.”
What the hell is that about?
Well say you go to another country and you do something stupid, you can just go home and hey it all happened somewhere else.
People do this all the time, when I lived in France people I worked with would avoid paying their parking tickets because they had UK number platers and the system didn’t work, they’d avoid paying tax when they moved back to england or somewhere, because they weren’t 100% or 50% or whatever devoted to their lives they could just go to France take what they wanted and leave what they didn’t.
Now this isn’t really fair to the people of France, or people who follow rules, its rude, and it causes all kinds of problems, and its something which causes tensions between natives and foreigners in many countries.
This is something that occurs in Japan, Gaijin go there with high expectations, get them dashed do something stupid, and ultimately they just go home and leave a mess to be cleared up. As a Gaijin, you will be painted with the same brush as those that have come before you and made a mess and caused problems, as such its an uphill battle to get people to look past their pre-conceptions to the real you.
That said its not all doom and gloom people have gone there without knowing Japanese, or having a plan and just muddled through and managed to get on with it.
Rule 1 is never listen to anything anyone says on the internet (unless its said by me; obviously) because they’re all gits and all wrong, and you go out there and prove them all wrong.
Maybe just maybe they are right sometimes, not on purpose, by accident of course, but hey, its science. you need to confirm that these laws still hold, every confirmation of the laws of existence is important incase you empirically find out they’re not true.
Now part of what makes getting a job in Japan hard is the above kind of prejudice, people have been burned before when some gaijin has cut and run when the going gets tough.
Also in japan, its tough to get a job anyway. As part of a persons natural patriotism they may want to help out their fellow countrymen, which is a pretty understandable sentiment.
Also dealing with gaijin can be tough, those pesky names, and funny ideas, even with good Japanese maybe there are communication problems, (e.g. one of you was brought up by coal, and has no idea of propriety)
I’d say these are the big things to look to work on to convince potential employers.
Learning Japanese is a good way to show you have committed, as well as learning the social and cultural things.
But you know its all well and good to do all this work, n stuff but you need to put it into action, get your hands dirty.
Oh and friends are useful too, its my experience that friends can really help you out in a bind, I’m no expert myself on them but they seem useful. Some Japanese friends could really come in useful, they might get you a job or recommend you to someone, saying this gaijin is an ok gaijin.
I think its because I grew up differently than most people, for reasons we shall not go into (I was brought up by coal) I grew up without being coloured by a lot of the social conditioning that many people have, as such many of my thoughts and ideas, philosophies have been created from the ground up without previous knowledge, a lot of it has been just working out what people already know, but in some cases I’ve come to different final outcomes.
Communication relies on people having a similar set of givens, a similar way of understanding things, because I don’t necessarily have the same set of values, because I wasn’t raised in the same way as most people, it means when I communicate the things I say make sense to me but maybe not to others, it may seem similar or have some sense, or seem slightly off kilter.
At least I would guess that is what it is.
We all have our cross to bear, my cross is more of a ninja throwing star and my bear is actually a Unicorn. So I guess we all have a cross to bear except me who has a Ninja Throwing Star to Unicorn.
Life is what you make it baby.
Consider you have a bunch of directions to get you to somewhere. as long as you start at the right place you always end up at the same place. but if you start at a different place you end up somewhere completely different. even if maybe you’re just one street over or facing the wrong way.
Maybe i’m like a car, I look like a car, I feel like a car, I taste and smell like a car but when you get in a turn the ignition on, the windows roll down, and you press the gas pedal and the windscreen washers shoot water into your face.
I am just a car shaped object I emulate a car to high degrees of correctness but I miss little details. because I don’t really understand the true existence of a car how cars actually are, I only have a superficial understanding of how to be a car, as such I seem to be 99% car but have some stuff which is just really baffling.
I believe the correct word for this is being a lovable rogue.
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Awesome stuff!
Keep trying your best!
@Gigatron
To get a job in a country that doesn’t speak English you really need to know the language, sure there are exceptions, but for a normal job in Japan, you need to speak Japanese, the interview will be in Japanese, the forms to fill out, etc. will be in Japanese. And they’ll expect you to speak Japanese.
I lived in France for some years working for a American company in France, I worked entirely in English, it was an exception, but there were no other jobs for me when I left the company in France because I was lousy at French.
Don’t get disheartened because it is hard, anything worth doing is hard, one of the things you learn as you grow up is very little meets your expectations, but you learn to manage your expectations, maybe your view of Japan wasn’t entirely realistic, I doubt many people’s are, but that doesn’t mean real Japan is any less interesting or exciting, or worthy of study.
Now what people say here may well be true, but it doesn’t mean its not possible to get a job in Japan, its just hard, and yes there it is again, another hard thing but if its worth doing its hard.
A lot of people look for an easy way to do something, if there is not one they give up. The people who really change the world, become great individuals, achieve their dreams, are those who work hard, its not that they are gifted or intelligent or geniuses only they don’t give up.
In life there are lots of let downs, and disappointments, but don’t let them stop you, sure they may make you feel sad or down, but just get past them and carry on. Heres a truth people who work hard and get stuff done, they get these things too disappointments, sadness, depression etc. but you force yourself past it and carry on.
Here’s a story about a girl called Ichigo, when she was young cartoons used to have morals and stories and meanings, and you would learn things from them, like the eye of Thundara is always right, and never take drugs. Anyway when Ichigo grew up she decided that there were lessons everywhere you could learn lessons from anything, especially cartoons, well some cartoons anyway.
Anyway there was this time Ichigo was feeling really bad her boyfriend had broken up with her and she felt wretched and angry and sad and disappointed etc. etc. And as she no longer had a boyfriend who used her to do everything and never gave anything back to her ever she had some spare time on her hands. So she caught up with her Anime watching.
She watched Aria, I don’t know if you’ve ever seen Aria, I recommend you do, its totally rad, whilst she watched this series, she was always feeling tense, something bad was going to happen, she never felt so incredibly tense as when watching Aria.
But in Aria nothing bad ever happens, its a really NICE anime, like super nice fluffy snuggly, and Ichigo realised that she was always expecting bad things to happen, every time Akari did something stupid, she expected her to be raped to stabbed or killed or something bad but it never happened.
Ichigo had a mindset of bad things, of negativity, so much so that she couldn’t watch this Anime without being incredibly negative. But watching Aria soothed her soul she realised that not everything will turn out bad, not all things are awful, and ultimately if you look at life expecting bad things you’ll see bad things.
So Ichigo became a better person because she came to understand herself better as a person, Aria taught her that life is seen through your own senses, but also through your own thoughts, the way you see and think, you create a filter for life, and if your filter is lousy your life is lousy, so you need to adjust your filter, so instead of searching for bad things to happen, maybe search for good things instead. Don’t ignore the fact bad things might happen but don’t let it be your go to reaction. Smile more, think of things that make you happy, and smile.
Once when Ichigo was feeling down, walking along a street and a cute boy smiled at her, she must of looked terrible, frowning and miserable, hunched over walking, but he smiled at her, and it lifted her day, a single smile, changed the way she felt. So she decided to smile more.
So Gigatron, don’t give up, just because things don’t work out the way you want, sure it always happens like this for you, it always happens like this for everyone, but the difference is how you react, take the beating and keep going, its like that manga I once read and gave to a friend, you’re a small kid, being trained by your master and the big strong russian-american sailor wants to fight you and he’s so big and strong and he’s called DICK STEINER. but you keep fighting and keep getting the crap beaten out of you, but then you realise you can use his strength against him, and then you beat him and then your sensei praises you and everything is ok.
When I get down, after feeling sorry for myself for a bit, I just get more determined, and try harder, somewhere somehow, I will find the hidden technique to beat DICK STEINER. And you can do it to.
Its time to not just learn Japanese, but learn about yourself and transform yourself into the person you want to be, its tough, you may not have much material to work with, but you can do it, we believe in you.
English is actually 60% French, this is the Vikings fault, or the French’s fault.
Basically in the 900s or something some Vikings came to France and beat up the French. The French were like, hey you guys are tough please don’t hurt us, why don’t you live in the north of France.
These Vikings were known as the Normans, They lived in Normandy…
Anyway they lived in France for 90 or so years, they picked up some of the French lingo, then they invaded England around 1066.
And so the language that England ended up with was greatly coloured by the invaders language.
So have you ever wondered why some words like say cache have a completely bonkers pronunciation? Its because its actually a french word and uses the french pronunciation, where as cash is not a french word and uses the English? pronunciation, they both sound the same but mean different things, oh English you waggish tongue. I ought to bend you over my knee and give you a good hiding.
So English having stupid pronunciations is the fault of either the Normans, or the French.
What techniques are you using to learn and keep this information?
If you are brute forcing it into your brain through memorisation and recall etc, then it will leak out.
SRS are great for putting stuff in your brain, but without using that stuff to form more permanent links to the data it will eventually leak out.
You need to find ways to keep the information in your head.
A lot of people use mnemonic’s to add additional links to keep the stuff in their head (I’m not a fan of this as it often just creates junk associations, most I see just confuse the hell out of me, so isn’t always that useful in my opinion, but that said I do occasionally use them myself, natsu, means summer, its the start of the girls name natsume, which means coming of summer, similarly harume coming of spring, haru means spring. ) In my case I look for useful associations to keep stuff in my brain, or I guess ones I find amusing, like kasa, someone wants to borrow my umbrella, mi kasa su kasa bro, you know.
I like writing, and its really fun to write them fancy Japanese characters so I find writing stuff, making sentences etc. helps me make additional connections.
I like watching Japanese stuff, hearing stuff I learnt, used, makes it stick in my mind. I guess girls names helped me to learn Kanji and Kana. like i’ll never forget what river means, because its in a girls last name, and I’ll never forget what ma looks like because its in a girl name… (Uhhh I guess I like girls? Eh heh heh)
I also tend to do a bit of everything, rather than choosing one resource or the other.
I should also add the disclaimer that I’m lousy at Japanese, so the efficacy of these techniques is definitely questionable.
I think as a new learner its easy to get carried away and go full blast at learning, and then burn out, or get demoralised because your progress isn’t as high as your enthusiasm, maybe you could chillax your learning schedule, go back and re-learn what you already have, instead of loving and leaving it, romance it some, re-ireru it into your brain, but in a different way.
When I was younger, I found something interesting, I found that Maths was actually completely different than how I had learnt it, I had learned a bunch of rules and methods for taking something and turning it into something else, I ran like a computer, following algorithms, I had no understanding of Maths.
I eventually was taught a different way, which showed me that in reality all the disparate parts of maths I had been taught were actually connected, in-fact you can break maths down into some really simple rules, lets us call them axioms, knowing those axioms, it made maths so much easier.
Anyway my way of learning is about finding axioms, because from those the entirety of knowledge can be found, they imply the rest, instead of learning everything, learn the basics and then derive the rest.
I just use google
site:www.textfugu.com/bb/ ドアノブ少女
first part specifies the site you want to search and the second is just the search term.
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